Adam Lanza’s Arsenal: Guns, Ammo, Knives, Swords, and NRA Certificates

155 rounds in less than five minutes
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At the school in Newtown, Adam Lanza fired more than 155 rounds in less than five minutes. The search warrants released by authorities today show the extent of the Lanza family’s arsenal; here’s the full list.

At the school:

  • 1 Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15 rifle with a 30-round magazine
  • 1 Glock 10mm handgun
  • 1 9mm Sig Sauer P226 handgun
  • 1 Saiga 12 shotgun with two magazines containing 70 rounds
  • 6 30-round magazines, three of them emptied

At the home:

Guns:

  • 1 Enfield bolt-action .323 rifle
  • 1 Savage Mark II .22 caliber rifle with magazine, 3 live rounds, 1 spent cartridge
  • 1 black marksman BB gun

Ammunition:

  • 5 Winchester 12-gauge shotgun shells cut open, with buckshot
  • 1 white plastic bag with 30 Winchester 12-gauge shotgun shells
  • 1 can with .22 caliber and .45 caliber bullets
  • 8 boxes of Winchester Windcat .22 caliber bullets, 50 rounds per box
  • 20 “Estate” 12-gauge shotgun shells
  • 4 boxes of SB buckshot 12-gauge, 10 round per box
  • 1 box of Lightfield 12-gauge slugs
  • 1 box of 20 Prvi Partizan 303 British rifle cartridges
  • 1 box of 20 Federal 303 British rifle cartridges
  • 2 boxes of .22 long rifle Blazer rounds, 50 each box
  • 1 box with numerous rounds of Winchester .45 caliber bullets
  • 2 boxes of 50 rounds of PPU .45 caliber automatic
  • 1 box of 20 rounds for Remington .223 caliber
  • 3 boxes of Blazer 40 S&W, 50 rounds each
  • 2 boxes of Winchester 5.56 mm, 20 rounds each
  • 1 box of Magtech 45ACP with 30 rounds
  • 1 empty Box of SSA 5.56 mm
  • 1 box of Fiocchi .45 auto with 48 rounds
  • 80 rounds of CCI .22 long rifle
  • 6 boxes of PMC .223 rem, 20 rounds each
  • 6 Winchester 9 pellet buckshot shells, 12-gauge
  • 2 Remington 12-gauge slugs
  • 3 Winchester .223 rifle rounds
  • 31 .22 caliber rounds
  • 2 boxes of Underwood 10 mm auto, each with 50 rounds
  • 130 rounds of Lawman 9mm Luger
  • 2 spent shell casings for Glock 10mm
  • 1 empty box of Gold Dot 9mm Luger
  • 2 empty boxes of Winchester 9mm Luger
  • 1 box of Underwood 10mm auto with 34 rounds
  • 1 box of 29 miscellaneous 9mm rounds
  • 1 spent .22 shell casing
  • 1 small plastic bag containing numerous .22 caliber bullets
  • 1 tan bag with numerous Blazer .45 caliber bullets
  • 1 box of Blazer .22 long rifle with 50 rounds
  • 1 box PPU 303 British cartridges with 9 rounds
  • 2 Winchester 9mm rounds
  • 2 brass-colored shell casings
  • 1 small caliber bullet (live round) labeled C

Magazines:

  • 1 Promag 20-round 12-gauge drum magazine
  • 1 MD Arms 20-round 12 gauge drum magazine
  • 3 AGP Arms 12-gauge shotgun magazines
  • 1 Surefire GunMag magazine with 8 rounds of Winchester 12-gauge, 9-pellet buckshot
  • 2 AGP Arms 12-gauge shotgun magazines, taped together, each with 10 rounds of Winchester 9-pellet buckshot
  • 2 empty Ram Line magazines for Ruger 10-22
  • 1 AGP Arms Gen 2 12-gauge shotgun magazine with 10 rounds of Winchester 12-gauge, 9-pellet buckshot
  • 1 clear plastic Ramline magazine for an AR 15
  • 1 magazine with 10 rounds of .223 bullets

Knives:

  • Metal bayonet
  • 1 6-foot-10-inch wood-handled two-sided pole with a blade on one side and a spear on the other
  • 1 Samurai sword with a 28-inch blade and sheath
  • 1 Samurai sword with a 21-inch blade and a sheath
  • 1 Samurai sword with a 13-inch blade and sheath
  • 1 knife with a 12-inch blade and sheath
  • 1 wooden-handle knife with a 7.5-inch blade and sheath
  • 1 wooden-handle knife with a 10-inch blade
  • 1 knife with a 5.5-inch blade and sheath
  • 1 black-handled knife with a 7-inch blade and sheath
  • 1 black rubber-handled knife with 9.5-inch blade and sheath
  • 1 white and brown-handled knife with 5-inch blade and sheath
  • 1 brown wood-handled knife with a 10.25-inch blade
  • 1 Panther brown-handled folding knife with a 3.75 inch blade
  • 1 small blue folding knife

Gear:

  • 1 Volcanic .22 starter pistol wth 5 live rounds and 1 expended round
  • Leightning L3 ear protection
  • Peltor ear plugs
  • Simmons binoculars
  • Uncle Mike’s Sidekick nylon holster
  • Box for vest accessories
  • Leather dual magazine holder
  • Black leather handgun holster
  • High Sierra fanny pack
  • Numerous paper targets
  • 1 cardboard targets
  • 1 Bushnell sport view rifle scope
  • Plastic bag of miscellaneous parts
  • Safariland holster paperwork
  • Glock handgun manual
  • MD-20 20-round shotgun magazine manual
  • MD Arms V-Plug guide
  • Bushmaster XM15 and C15 instruction manual
  • Savage Arms bolt-action rifle manual
  • Glock paperwork

Miscellaneous:

  • Adam Lanza’s National Rifle Association certificate
  • Nancy Lanza’s NRA certificate
  • Three photographs with images of what appears to be a deceased human covered with plastic and what appears to be blood
  • Holiday card with a check from Nancy Lanza to Adam Lanza for purchase of C183 firearm
  • 1 digital print of a child and various firearms
  • 1 military-style uniform
  • Handwritten notes with addresses of local gun shops
  • Receipts and emails documenting firearm and ammunition supplies
  • Blue folder labeled “guns” with receipts and paperwork
  • Paperwork titled “Connecticut Gun Exchange Glock 20SF 10mm” dated 12-21-11
  • Sandy Hook report card for Adam Lanza
  • New York Times article on a 2008 shooting at Northern Illinois Unversity
  • Books: “Look me in the Eye: My Life with Asperger’s;” “Born on a Blue Day: Inside the Mind of an Autistic Savant;” “NRA Guide to Basics of Pistol Shooting;” “Train our Brain to Get Happy”
  • 1 Seagate Barracuda 500gb hard drive, damaged
  • 1 custom-built desktop computer, no hard drive
  • 1 Microsoft Xbox with partially obliterated serial number
  • One cotton swab of blood-like substance
  • 1 tan sheet with blood-like substance
  • 1 tan fitted sheet with blood-like substance
  • 1 striped towel with blood-like substance

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209 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:27:05pm

Those early reports that Lanza’s mother was a “prepper” look more credible now. That’s one hell of an arsenal. A bit more than one would reasonably need for personal protection.

And what’s up with the photos of a dead body? Did Lanza kill someone else before the massacre?

2 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:28:22pm

Well, obviously she needed all those guns for when the government came for them…wait…

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3 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:29:00pm

The day before the mass murder, Adam Lanza would have been considered an educated, safe gun owner by the NRA.

4 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:31:57pm

Jared Loughner was a relative piker (repost from previous thread):

Tucson ammo seller lied to make Loughner go away

[…]

About 7 a.m. the morning of the attack, Loughner tried to buy more ammunition.

A clerk at Walmart, 7635 N. La Cholla Boulevard, later told deputies that Loughner was acting so erratically that he lied and said the store was out of stock.

Loughner approached the clerk walking really fast. After seeing that there was no 9 mm ammunition in the display case, he urged the clerk to look for more in the back.

Feeling uneasy about how rushed Loughner seemed, the clerk announced that he was out of stock before he even checked.

“I could tell on his face that he was really angry about it,” the clerk told investigators. “He just kind o’ swung away and just walked off.”

Another employee who helped Loughner at the customer service desk said, “He’s one of those types you don’t forget.” She also said he seemed rushed.

Loughner successfully purchased ammunition shortly afterward at another Walmart store, 8280 N. Cortaro Road. He spent $83 on eight boxes of bullets.

[…]

More stories about Loughner just before his shooting spree are in the sidebar.

5 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:32:24pm

He even had a gun safe.

6 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:32:27pm

Wasn’t there a tweetfest claiming he didn’t belong to the NRA?

7 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:34:58pm

re: #6 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Wasn’t there a tweetfest claiming he didn’t belong to the NRA?

NRA claims that, despite an NRA certificate and book found in the house, the Lanzas weren’t NRA members.

8 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:35:35pm

re: #6 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I do not recall that. I do remember that the NRA sent no broadcast messages to its members for a week.

9 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:37:06pm

Oh! Don’t forget his mother!!! Well that lady was shot in the forehead while she slept peacefully with her armed to the hilt anti-social son.

Motherly love is one thing, aiding and abetting another.

10 freetoken  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:38:53pm

And then we have this, published in the Las Vegas Sun:

The NRA is the tip of the iceberg

[…]

There are about 4.3 million National Rifle Association members. About 110 million Americans own more than 325 million guns — and this number is going up.

There are a lot of gun lobby groups besides the NRA. Members of Congress don’t fear just the NRA, they fear their constituents, and that’s the way it should be.

After the 2014 midterm elections, we are not going to have fewer pro-gun senators and House members; we are going to have more. Probably a lot of them will be Tea Party members.

This government is in serious trouble, with the old guard and President Barack Obama not willing to step up to the plate and make the serious budget cuts that are needed. […]

The Second Amendment provides the pathway for America to help put this country back on a sound financial footing. It won’t be easy, but it is certainly worth it. Mark Twain said, “Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” Very well said. You already see sheriffs in several places saying they will not enforce new gun laws.

It’s just beginning.

11 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:38:54pm

From downstairs:

The best we can do is look at the people we know and If they are off, and people are allowed to be “off”. But if you are a friend or family member, you owe it to the public to do something if you know they have guns.

12 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:39:21pm

re: #6 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Wasn’t there a tweetfest claiming he didn’t belong to the NRA?

Can you get certified as trained by the NRA without being a member? They don’t say exactly which type of certificate the Lanzas had.

13 Bunky Bunk  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:40:15pm

I will probably need to stay away from this topic for a good month or two, as I will most certainly verbally assault any person that tries to link ASD to violent behavior.

14 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:40:59pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

That might be resolved as in a lapsed cert or membership.


By active sporting / target shooting standards that is not a lot of ammunition. Ask anyone in IPSC, Steel Challenge or IDPA. It’s a lot for the occasional shooter as in a few times a year. I think I see a typo, the enfield should be .303, which squares with the ammo. I never heard of a .323 round.

15 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:41:23pm

re: #6 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Wasn’t there a tweetfest claiming he didn’t belong to the NRA?

Yep. It’s just a minor detail. The NRA said they were not member. They could have received certificates for a shooting competition sponsored by the NRA. The gun activists want people to get distracted with that information. They’ll claim victimhood over this or as the NRA worded it “reckless, false and defamatory!”

16 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:42:06pm

The photos of a dead body are a very creepy detail. Seems like there’s more to this story waiting to come out.

17 Bunky Bunk  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:43:57pm

re: #15 Gus

Riiight, because rushing to judgement about things is something the NRA would never, ever, do.

18 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:44:07pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Can you get certified as trained by the NRA without being a member? They don’t say exactly which type of certificate the Lanzas had.

Not when I certified, no way. But these things expire annually. As in annual fees. NRA would say I am not a member, but a search here could find my old certs for 5 kinds of instruction. Or in my storage.

19 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:45:01pm

re: #15 Gus

There are lots of classes given by the NRA all over the nation. An old chat buddy from another forum tried to get me to go to a few classes so that I could become “certified.” I told him I was not interested.

20 freetoken  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:48:43pm

For all the violence, and revelations about the perps, what will change?

Deep down the reason US politicians don’t act on gun ownership is that they are afraid they’ll offend a large enough group of voters that they won’t be re-elected.

I don’t see that changing any time soon.

21 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:49:43pm

re: #18 Political Atheist

Not when I certified, no way

That’s what I thought, but I wasn’t sure. So when they got the certificates, they pretty much had to be NRA members.

22 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:50:11pm

Armed protesters show up to counter Indianapolis gun control rally

A group participating in the “National Day to Demand Action” to end gun violence in Indianapolis this morning faced a counter-protest from gun rights advocates, who brought their loaded firearms with them.

The group Moms Demand Action held the rally outside the Indiana Statehouse on Thursday to call for an assault weapons ban, restrictions on magazine sizes, and an end to the so-called gun show loophole. A member of the organization told Think Progress she was unsettled by the presence of armed counter-protesters, who were from a group calling itself Indiana Moms Against Gun Control.

23 Blue Point  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:54:05pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

And one hell of a customer.

24 Destro  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:54:27pm

When this went down I declared that people like this who hoard guns should be viewed like those creeps that buy knives and swords at flea markets. It seems they are one and the same.

25 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:57:17pm

re: #6 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Wasn’t there a tweetfest claiming he didn’t belong to the NRA?

That’s still at least technically plausible. You don’t need to ever have been a member to the NRA to have a certificate from one of their training courses.

Based on the honor system, shooters acquire the large discipline patch at the onset of the program and, as each rating is earned, they are entitled to all of the corresponding awards for that rating.

They only require membership for the Distinguished Expert rating, and only then if the person want’s “national recognition” which probably just means having their name published in a newsletter.

The NRA uses the training programs and certificates to lure people into membership, to sell the identity, but membership isn’t a prerequisite to acquire a certificate.

26 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 5:57:43pm

re: #13 Bunky Bunk

I will probably need to stay away from this topic for a good month or two, as I will most certainly verbally assault any person that tries to link ASD to violent behavior.

Was it me by my comment? I do not want in any way people with Aspargers or anything to be vilified. Aspargers peeps should be just like any other. Always.

My point is if you know someone who, gosh, I don’t know, is anti social in a bad way, they should not have access to guns. For themselves and the people they gather with.

That’s common sense, drinking prob peeps, angry peeps, etc.

27 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:01:05pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

To me this is no big revelation either way. For example a bunch of my students joined when they took my class. Then just let it lapse after the first year. You can get a discount at almost any range as a member. Point is you get to be a member at the drop of a hat in and around the sport.

28 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:01:05pm

re: #22 Kragar (Antichrist )

Armed protesters show up to counter Indianapolis gun control rally

“Indiana Moms Against Gun Control” has a Facebook page.

There are posts by moms named Brad, Bill, Bryce, Anthony, Scott, Mark, Kevin, Patrick, Adrian, Conrad, Matthew, Joey, Sean, John, Nick, Don, Virgil, Dennis, Thomas, Jesse, Curtis, Aaron, Rusty, Jonathan and Don.

But, there were about 4 posts by women, so I guess it’s technically correct.

29 Bunky Bunk  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:01:19pm

re: #26 Stanley Sea

Not at all. Being anti-social is consitent with sociopathy, psychopathy, etc. not just ASD. He clearly had some much larger issues than Aspberger’s. Having a paranoid mother was not helpful.

30 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:03:31pm

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

I’ll let you and Political Atheist fight it out amongst yourselves.

31 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:04:00pm

re: #10 freetoken

Perhaps we should consider Sedition Charges?

32 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:06:14pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Nah, no fight a person could shoot in an NRA match and get a win cert.

We gotta see the cert to be sure.

33 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:06:54pm

Also, that is truly insane in terms of Ammo. That sounds like a damn Fallout Character’s inventory for hell’s sake.

34 Mattand  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:07:11pm

re: #22 Kragar (Antichrist )

Armed protesters show up to counter Indianapolis gun control rally

That one really has me angry. You only show up at armed at a rally like that for one reason and one reason only: to scare and intimidate the shit out of people.

Fuck guns. Seriously. We can put a man on the moon and talk to people across the globe with pocket sized electronic gadgets. We cured polio.

Yet people in this fucking country have to have their precious boomsticks glued to their sides at all times.

It really sickens me that people care more about their fucking goddamn gunpowder penis extensions than those kids in CT .

35 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:08:33pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

I’ll let you and Political Atheist fight it out amongst yourselves.

Thunderdome time?

36 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:10:07pm

re: #34 Mattand

People like that need to be on a watchlist. I don’t think it is a far jump to say that people that do this sort of thing are also the sort of people that would jump to becoming another Breivik.

37 Bunky Bunk  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:10:19pm

re: #33 ProBosniaLiberal

Only thing missing is the PipBoy.

38 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:13:27pm

re: #37 Bunky Bunk

And you can make those.

At least he didn’t have Fat-Man or Esther.

39 Mattand  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:13:46pm

re: #36 ProBosniaLiberal

People like that need to be on a watchlist. I don’t think it is a far jump to say that people that do this sort of thing are also the sort of people that would jump to becoming another Breivik.

The 2nd Amendment as interpreted in today’s society is a fucking death pact.

40 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:14:01pm

re: #36 ProBosniaLiberal

And what good does being on a watchlist do?

41 darthstar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:15:27pm
42 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:16:17pm

re: #40 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

We might be able to catch a Breivik wannabe before they decide to commit a mass murder. Also, it puts pressure on the Right-Wing to cool down.

43 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:18:37pm
NRA has a waiver process for those Range Safety Officers that are also certified instructors and have reported a minimum of two NRA Basic Firearm Safety Courses using NRAInstructors.org. Instructor/Range Safety Officers submit a request in writing for the upgrade, a résumé of shooting experience, a letter from the range or club officer or manager on the range or club letterhead, requesting the upgrade and why, with a payment of $11.00 for members and $26 for non-members.
44 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:20:55pm

re: #42 ProBosniaLiberal

We might be able to catch a Breivik wannabe before they decide to commit a mass murder. Also, it puts pressure on the Right-Wing to cool down.

Catch them doing what?

45 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:21:31pm

re: #36 ProBosniaLiberal

People like that need to be on a watchlist. I don’t think it is a far jump to say that people that do this sort of thing are also the sort of people that would jump to becoming another Breivik.

No. We don’t need any more “watch lists.”

46 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:22:23pm
NRA Basic Personal Protection Outside the Home
NRA Certified Instructors will teach an intermediate shooting course on how to use a firearm in self-defense and requires students to have already mastered safe gun handling and basic marksmanship skills prior to attending the course.

This course will develop in the student the basic knowledge , skills and attitude essential for avoiding dangerous confrontations and for the safe, effective, responsible and ethical use of a concealed pistol for self-defense outside the home..

This Course is not a basic shooting course and requires advanced shooting skills.

This Course presupposes that students possess the knowledge, skills and attitudes taught in the previous course, NRA Basic Personal Protection in the Home.

The course will include the following lessons:

Introduction to Concealed Carry Safety and the Defensive Mindset
Introduction to Self-Defense and Concealed Carry
Legal Aspects of Concealed Carry and Self-Defense
Carry modes and Concealment
Presenting the Pistol from Concealment
Presentation, Position and Movement
Special Shooting Techniques
Sport Shooting Activities and Training Opportunities
This course taught in Level 1 (Basic) and Level 2 (Advanced) sections, both including range time. Level 1 is a minimum of 9 hours and Level 2 is a minimum of 5 hours. Class is usually taught in the classroom on a weekday evening with range sessions conducted on weekends.

Class fee is $115 for members and $140 for non-members

47 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:25:25pm

Libertarians are even worse at comedy than Republicans:

48 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:27:29pm

P.S. I’m just pointing out that it’s plausible, but not at all proven that Lanza wasn’t a “member.”

I’ve never been an NRA member but did make the mistake of paying for a one year 2nd Amendment Foundation membership that lapsed a few months ago. I just wanted the discount offered by a local FFL on transfer fees, didn’t realize 2AF was going to inundate my mailbox with non stop DERP.

49 darthstar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:28:28pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

Lesson #1 - don’t carry a gun unless your name is James Bond.

50 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:32:07pm

Zimmerman’s brother tries to justify comparing Trayvon Martin to alleged baby killer

Confronted by Morgan that his posts were “bordering on outright racism,” Zimmerman seemed to agree. “That’s one way to read it,” he said. “And that seems to be the way a lot of people have interpreted it. I don’t think Twitter is the place to make points about what you recall a year ago, because the recollections that I have, or that we have as a family specifically, are very different than what can be portrayed in 140 characters.”

He added that while an apology was posted to Twitter, he feels that the media has not portrayed Trayvon Martin in the way he sees the deceased teen. “What I’m saying is, yeah he was 17, and he chose to portray himself, by his own hand, in a certain way,” Zimmerman said.

“A 17 year old posts a picture of himself gesticulating in a slightly rude manner, on Facebook, that doesn’t make him a killer,” Morgan said. “You’re likening him to someone who’s been charged with shooting a baby in the head in a stroller. That’s an unbelievable analogy to make, isn’t it?”

“No,” Zimmerman said. “Those are your words, sir. Those are not my words.” He added that it seemed all Morgan could see in his tweets is “color,” and not the substance of his statement.

“But they’re two young, black boys,” Morgan said.

“Well, they’re also 17,” Zimmerman shot back.

Pressed on his comment that “ppl think blacks mightB risky,” Zimmerman insisted that the host “stay on topic.”

“What I’m saying is, both of these people were 17 years old, and before Trayvon Martin was a household name, and before Demarquis, you know, from Georgia was a household name, they had an identity that they portrayed. And I’m not saying that because you flick off a camera, that says anything about you, other than that’s the way you choose to portray yourself.”

51 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:36:29pm

re: #50 Kragar (Antichrist )

Zimmerman’s brother tries to justify comparing Trayvon Martin to alleged baby killer

Is everyone in this family stupid?

52 sagehen  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:38:02pm

re: #33 ProBosniaLiberal

Also, that is truly insane in terms of Ammo. That sounds like a damn Fallout Character’s inventory for hell’s sake.

He’s prepared for the zombie apocalypse… then got impatient that it seemed there wasn’t going to be one.

53 BishopX  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:38:10pm

I hate to say it, but the only real red flags in the what the feds found were the bushmaster and the saiga (which is basically a 12 gauge semi-automatic ak-47). Everything else seems rather normal for two people who lived in a semi-rural area and liked to shoot.

One deer rifle, one plinker, 2 handguns (judging by the ammo, there is probably a .45 somewhere they didn’t find). I know plenty of non-prepper, non-gun nuts with more than this. The bushmaster with 7 magazines and a semi-automatic 12 gauge with numerous 20 and 30 round magazines on the other hand….

54 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:38:40pm

re: #44 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Not sure. I want to put pressure on these goons though. I suppose making sure they don’t do any mass purchases of fertilizer.

55 Aligarr  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:39:06pm

In New Jersey to get even a rifle, a permit is necessarry . That requires a background check , fingerprinting and listing atleast two non-relatives that you have known for three years or more , who will be questioned by authorities about YOU .
This is totally reasonable . Conceal and carry permits are fine ,as people who carry large sums of money etc . The overwhelming majority of gun owners and enthusiasts are responsible and sane people . I dont buy the bullshit argument about “penis extension etc” that’s all blather . Lanza’s mother was IRRESPONSIBLE in the first degree . She had a son who wasn’t wrapped tight , she knew it , yet taught him to use guns .She knew he spent his time obssessing with guns and playing violent video games all day and night .This kid could have NEVER bought a gun on his own . Especially in Conn. He wouldn’t get one here in Florida .Any guns in that house should have been locked in a safe or cabinet .The mother had no sense and paid with her own life , and bears responsibility along with her son for the deaths of those kids .

56 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:41:53pm

re: #50 Kragar (Antichrist )

Zimmerman’s brother tries to justify comparing Trayvon Martin to alleged baby killer

That guy is a prick. I hope he hurts his now rich brother’s case. (Brother now without student loans - they paid them off with racist conservative $$ that was so freely donated)

57 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:42:30pm

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

. I see some things changed since I was in. Well it was the ‘90’s.

58 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:42:36pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Can you get certified as trained by the NRA without being a member? They don’t say exactly which type of certificate the Lanzas had.

As far as I know you don’t have to be a member to take NRA courses. That would be counter to the idea that the NRA trainers truly want to educate people —which has been my experience at the grass-roots level.

59 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:43:28pm

re: #54 ProBosniaLiberal

Not sure. I want to put pressure on these goons though. I suppose making sure they don’t do any mass purchases of fertilizer.

Yeah, I figured you didn’t have any clue what the fuck you were suggesting but just liked the idea of some authoritative measures being taken.

How do you prevent them from purchasing fertilizer?

60 sagehen  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:46:00pm

re: #59 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Yeah, I figured you didn’t have any clue what the fuck you were suggesting but just liked the idea of some authoritative measures being taken.

How do you prevent them from purchasing fertilizer?

You can’t stop people from buying a bunch of small amounts of fertilizer at a bunch of different stores, but it will not go unnoticed if you try to buy a truckload at a time.

61 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:46:27pm
62 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:48:05pm

re: #59 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

We did pass some measures after OKC, didn’t we?

And yes, that was half-cocked. Of these nuts trying to intimidate many of us into silence with threats of violence. You got an alternative then?

63 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:48:40pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

That’s what I thought, but I wasn’t sure. So when they got the certificates, they pretty much had to be NRA members.

There are lots of certificates. Took this course, won that match. ROI at a range. My cert was as an instructor for them. I had to be a member. then I dropped tht and threw in with the IDPA, which let me integrate that sport as an adjunct to my self defense stuff.

I even had a blog-Full Spectrum Self Defense. Full spectrum meant from simple prevention, through martial arts, and up through defensive handgun.

64 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:52:19pm
65 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:52:57pm

re: #57 Political Atheist

. I see some things changed since I was in. Well it was the ‘90’s.

It might well just be a range by range policy, with the ones you went to funneling everyone into membership and Grand Blanc Huntsman Club and others offering instruction at higher rates for non-members. This at least recognizes that some people want training but very much don’t want to be NRA members. Some gun businesses are more ideological than others, one of the local gun stores here crosses through the optional SSN field on their form 4473’s because they’re just flat out opposed to the government asking for it at all.

66 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:53:50pm

DERP
DHS IS NOT JUST ONE PERSON!

67 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:54:16pm

DERP

68 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:55:59pm

DERP DERP HURR HURR (And why is this wingnut allowed to spawn triplets)



69 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:57:10pm

re: #58 FemNaziBitch

As far as I know you don’t have to be a member to take NRA courses. That would be counter to the idea that the NRA trainers truly want to educate people —which has been my experience at the grass-roots level.

IMO being an NRA member is just being a fool enough to pay the dues, not needed for a respectable gun owner.

now? They are probably making bank off those dead 1st graders with 155 bullets in them. These new members are making a point.

70 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:58:15pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

Well f%$k the NRA anyway. There is a ton of work to do and they stand in the way. Most of us want the universal b/g. Safer for all of us including those of us that have a gun. Or a collection of them.

71 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:58:37pm

HURR HURR WE ALLS HAVE THAT MUCH GUNZ IN ARE HOUS, TAHT AINT NO ARESENIL!1!! ARENSEALS IS WHUT DHS HAZ 1.6 BILLIONS BULLETS HURR HURR

72 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 6:59:55pm

re: #71 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR WE ALLS HAVE THAT MUCH GUNZ IN ARE HOUS, TAHT AINT NO ARESENIL!1!! ARENSEALS IS WHUT DHS HAZ 1.6 BILLIONS BULLETS HURR HURR

DHS ALSO HAZ TEH TANKS!!

73 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:00:38pm

DERP DERP HURR HURR

74 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:02:12pm

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP HURR HURR

You know that there’s a lot people in this country that have never left their own state. Some of them haven’t even traveled around their own state.

75 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:02:50pm

When in doubt reload.

No, no, no the web page not the gun!

76 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:04:08pm

re: #70 Political Atheist

Well f%$k the NRA anyway.

They’ve really screwed the pooch. It would’ve been nothing for them to come out in favor of universal background checks and safe storage requirements. It also wouldn’t have solved a goddamned thing, but at least they would have looked like adults who were approaching the situation with some level of seriousness. Instead they completely squandered an opportunity, and in the long run have probably fucked over lawful gun owners more than anything their opposition could have dreamt up.

77 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:04:14pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

IMO being an NRA member is just being a fool enough to pay the dues, not needed for a respectable gun owner.

now? They are probably making bank off those dead 1st graders with 155 bullets in them. These new members are making a point.

It’s sick.

Ot Charles, I asked about repeat Walking Dead and you so kindly directed me to AMC.com. Muchas Gracias!

Well idiot tv owner, cable bill payer just found out that I have all the repeats, for free on my cable on demand. Ha.

I’m going to watch zombies & forget about those kids killed for a while, just like a lot of people.

Peace

78 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:07:09pm

DERP DERP HURR HURR RAGE HATE

79 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:07:25pm

Yes, a dept of the government which has 200,000+ employees and responsible for supplying and overseeing other law enforcement activities has more weapons at their disposal than one nutcase with a gun fetish. Your powers of observation are awe inspiring.

80 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:09:50pm

United Federation of Planets De-Certifies Humans as Qualified for Industrial Society

‘sarah palin’ human relocated to federation laboratories as part of effort to understand failure

Toy Hamsters Installed As Top Predator and Responsible Species for Terra until Further Notice

81 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:10:38pm

re: #60 sagehen

You can’t stop people from buying a bunch of small amounts of fertilizer at a bunch of different stores, but it will not go unnoticed if you try to buy a truckload at a time.

I’m just unsure how this watchlist is supposed to work, and how people are supposed to get on it, and how we get that out to feed stores so that they don’t sell fertilizer to them.

82 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:11:14pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

It’s sick.

To be fair the NRA of today isn’t the NRA of even a decade ago, let alone the org as it existed in the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s. The entire culture has changed. The Government used to trust the NRA to conduct mass sales directly to the public of surplus war rifles. I still have the receipt for the M1 Carbine that my Dad passed down to me, he got it for $16.50 plus about $2 shipping and handling.

Back then you could get any number of USGI semi automatic rifles and 30 round mags sent straight to your door. In retrospect that seems really fucked up, but nobody questioned any of it until after both of the Kennedys were assassinated.

83 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:11:30pm

South Carolina Republicans Distance Themselves From Todd Kincannon

On Sunday, Todd Kincannon, a South Carolina lawyer and the former executive director of the South Carolina Republican Party, tweeted that it was a “shame” an antiwar veteran “didn’t come home in a body bag.”

Kincannon didn’t stop there. The political blog Little Green Footballs took screenshots of the full Twitter tirade against Mike Prysner, the Iraq war vet turned antiwar activist. 

When a supporter of Prysner tweeted back, “Damn Todd. That’s pretty fucked up,” Kincannon responded, “Go read what the asshole wrote. I wish the Iraqis had better aim with his ass.” And a final tweet: “I hope if that guy is ever in combat again, the enemy splatters his brain JFK-style. He deserves it.”

And so the GOP’s attempt to rebrand itself hit another snag—not just from a random member of the base, from a former party operative.

Now South Carolina’s Republican establishment wants nothing to do with Kincannon.

A prominent GOP operative in South Carolina who asked not to be identified told The Daily Beast that Kincannon was “generously editing” his résumé to emphasize his time in the state party’s leadership. The operative said Kincannon served as executive director of the organization for just three months before resigning.

84 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:12:57pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

South Carolina Republicans Distance Themselves From Todd Kincannon

Obviously the SCGOP has been taken over by Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood.

85 JRCMYP  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:13:50pm

Since I have children in elementary school, I think about this in a way that is very, very personal. Plus, my father practices shooting at the same place that Lanza’s mother did. So. I don’t think I need to explain how this is, for lack of a better phrase, too familiar.

But what isn’t familiar is the insane arsenal contained in this home. Insane. No one needs this. No one should want this. No one should allow this.

We need to get past our ability to rationalize the “okayness” of our gun culture. Because it’s the gun culture that allows a family to own this obscene amount of fire power.

How the families of those dead children and teachers don’t throw themselves on Congress every.single.day is amazing to me. Their strength is beyond my comprehension.

86 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:14:00pm

re: #81 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m just unsure how this watchlist is supposed to work, and how people are supposed to get on it, and how we get that out to feed stores so that they don’t sell fertilizer to them.

You’d have to ban the use of cash in sales of products containing Potassium Nitrate. Probably not constitutional.

87 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:14:14pm

Hey Gus - did you know you’re a “supporter of Prysner?”

88 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:14:50pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

Nice notice, Charles!

89 JRCMYP  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:15:06pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The day before the mass murder, Adam Lanza would have been considered an educated, safe gun owner by the NRA.

And this is the problem with the “responsible gun owner” trope. Every gun owner is responsible until they aren’t.

90 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:16:40pm

DERP DERP HURR HURR

91 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:17:34pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

IMO being an NRA member is just being a fool enough to pay the dues, not needed for a respectable gun owner.

now? They are probably making bank off those dead 1st graders with 155 bullets in them. These new members are making a point.

Many, Many members are life or endowment members. They probably only think about the NRA when they get their magazine once a month—which they may or may not read. Most of the mail they send out is junk mail and get’s thrown away.

92 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:17:54pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

South Carolina Republicans Distance Themselves From Todd Kincannon

Wait a second! “When a supporter of Prysner tweeted back…” I’m not a supporter of Prysner.

93 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:18:18pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Hey Gus - did you know you’re a “supporter of Prysner?”

No! =|

94 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:18:21pm

re: #92 Gus

Wait a second! “When a supporter of Prysner tweeted back…” I’m not a supporter of Prysner.

Who TF is Prysner?

95 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:18:28pm

re: #90 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP HURR HURR

BILLIONS!

96 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:19:38pm
97 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:21:54pm

re: #94 Vicious Babushka

Who TF is Prysner?

I’d have to Google. Anti war protester. Iraq War vet. Pro Chavez.

98 efuseakay  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:22:22pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The day before the mass murder, Adam Lanza would have been considered an educated, safe gun owner by the NRA.

You mean the seconds before he started firing.

99 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:22:32pm
100 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:23:03pm
101 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:25:27pm

Urgh.

102 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:26:00pm

Wow. Reading that list gives me the chills. Dude was bound to kill someone.

103 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:27:32pm


104 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:29:03pm

A supporter I guess in the sense that Kincannon shouldn’t have used that rhetoric against Prysner.

105 klys  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:29:27pm

re: #104 Gus

A supporter I guess in the sense that Kincannon shouldn’t have used that rhetoric against Prysner.

i.e., a decent human being?

106 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:30:11pm

Look up close at the little tags
Image: post8.jpg

107 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:31:40pm

The one thing in the Lanza list that stood out to me was that there was a lot of .45 ammunition at the home but no gun in that caliber, indicating that they probably had a .45 at one point. Where is that gun now?

108 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:31:51pm

re: #105 klys

i.e., a decent human being?

Yea, like that.

109 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:35:37pm
110 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:36:51pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Those early reports that Lanza’s mother was a “prepper” look more credible now. That’s one hell of an arsenal. A bit more than one would reasonably need for personal protection.

And what’s up with the photos of a dead body? Did Lanza kill someone else before the massacre?

The Lee-Enfield rifle was more of a collectable and target shooter, of a kind many people have. The .22 was a ‘plinker’, designed for basic ‘fun-type’ target shooting. That leaves one rifle, one shotgun, and two pistols of more modern type. I know people who own a good bit more than that.

Not an arsenal, not really. Fairly plain, as gun collections go.

111 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:36:53pm
112 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:41:50pm

Lanza family’s arsenal

this is evidence of something. what that is i will leave to mental health professionals

113 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:41:54pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

The Lee-Enfield rifle was more of a collectable and target shooter, of a kind many people have. The .22 was a ‘plinker’, designed for basic ‘fun-type’ target shooting. That leaves one rifle, one shotgun, and two pistols of more modern type. I know people who own a good bit more than that.

Not an arsenal, not really. Fairly plain, as gun collections go.

The Saiga 12 is genuinely kind of scary. Why the ATF hasn’t yet classified it as a Destructive Device is beyond me, since the only difference between it and the USAS-12 is that the Saiga is lighter.

114 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:43:57pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

Cat found!!!

115 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:44:18pm

re: #109 Gus

THAT’S IT!! I’M NEVER GOING TO ANOTHER WILL FERRELL MOVIE EVER AGAIN!!


Just wanted to beat the rush.

116 Ming  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:47:55pm

When our Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment to the Constitution, I don’t think they had anything like the Lanza family arsenal in mind.

117 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:49:24pm
118 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:49:35pm

gun collections

my collection

1967 gibson j-50 acoustic guitar
gitane (imitation selmer macaferrie) acoustic guitar
jupiter alto flute
selmer soprano flute
1924 buescher tru-tone soprano saxophone
conn ‘director’ cornet

makes prettier noises than gun collection

119 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:50:40pm

Your friends have cute pets!

Edit, that was meant for GD Frank!

120 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:50:49pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

The Saiga 12 is genuinely kind of scary. Why the ATF hasn’t yet classified it as a Destructive Device is beyond me, since the only difference between it and the USAS-12 is that the Saiga is lighter.

It’s just a Kalashnikov shotgun, though it can’t fire full-auto. It really is used as a hunting weapon though, since it has all the durability Gen. Kalashnikov built into its operating system.

True Story: When observing the firing of a pre-production SG-12, a US firearms journalist asked if the SG-12 was as endurent as the AK-47. In reply, one of the Russians taking put in the firing test picked up a handful of sand, locked the SG-12’s bolt back, then proceeded to pour the sand directly into the receiver. He then loaded a 7-round magazine, chambered a round, and the fired all 7 rounds without a stoppage. The Russian gentleman then turned to the correspondent and declared “A Kalashnikov is always a Kalashnikov!”

121 klys  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:50:51pm

re: #118 engineer cat

I collect cross stitch patterns.

I complete them at a much slower rate.

122 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:52:58pm

re: #116 Ming

When our Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment to the Constitution, I don’t think they had anything like the Lanza family arsenal in mind.

Not the most compelling class of argument. The founders certainly didn’t have video games in mind when they wrote the 1st Amendment, yet the Supreme Court still decided Brown v. EMA.

Either the Constitution is a living document or it isn’t.

123 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:55:18pm

re: #109 Gus

and for b_sharp, “Canada’s four seasons: almost winter, winter, still winter, and road construction.”

124 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:55:24pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

It’s just a Kalashnikov shotgun, though it can’t fire full-auto. It really is used as a hunting weapon though, since it has all the durability Gen. Kalashnikov built into its operating system.

You’d have to buy a 2 shot magazine in most states to make the Saiga legal to hunt with. Doable I guess but kind of ridiculous. That really isn’t it’s purpose.

125 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 7:59:03pm

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

You’d have to buy a 2 shot magazine in most states to make the Saiga legal to hunt with. Doable I guess but kind of ridiculous. That really isn’t it’s purpose.

That’s true, but there people who appreciate a shotgun able to withstand hard field use.

Edit for clarity.

126 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:00:59pm

re: #123 Single-handed sailor

and for b_sharp, “Canada’s four seasons: almost winter, winter, still winter, and road construction.”

We’re coming up to road construction season pretty quick here. If we ever get out of ‘still winter’ season.

They closed our snow dump today because they ran out of room.

127 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:01:32pm

Snow dump?
Lol.

128 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:04:40pm

re: #127 Varek Raith

Snow dump?
Lol.

A large area where snow scraped off of the roads is dumped. The snow stored there now is more than 20 metres high. In most areas, 2 metres of snow still lines the streets.

129 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:06:03pm
130 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:06:07pm

Hotels.com ad autoplayed and was loud.
Normal?

131 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:07:23pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

No, but there people who appreciate a shotgun able to withstand hard field use.

My idea of a hard field use shotgun is the old Field Grade LC Smith still sitting on the shelf at my LGS because I can’t afford that fine 80 year old double barrel.

132 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:07:38pm

re: #130 Varek Raith

Hotels.com ad autoplayed and was loud.
Normal?

And again.

133 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:10:38pm

re: #130 Varek Raith

Charles gave me a link to a firefox add on, that seems to have killed the random audio ads I was getting ( and bitched about)…
Let me look for you!

134 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:11:53pm

The internet needs to be volume leveled.
Killed my ears there.
;)

135 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:12:52pm

re: #127 Varek Raith

Snow dump?
Lol.

At last count about a month ago — prior to a couple more major snowfalls — the site held 1.1 million cubic metres of snow”

136 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:12:58pm

re: #128 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

A large area where snow scraped off of the roads is dumped. The snow stored there now is more than 20 metres high. In most areas, 2 metres of snow still lines the streets.

That’s a shit ton of snow.
/Captain Obvious

137 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:13:27pm

re: #133 Dancing along the light of day

Charles gave me a link to a firefox add on, that seems to have killed the random audio ads I was getting ( and bitched about)…
Let me look for you!

Here it is:

addons.mozilla.org

138 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:14:08pm

re: #134 Varek Raith

addons.mozilla.org

Works for me!

139 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:14:33pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Here it is:

addons.mozilla.org

Thanks.
Works.
:)

140 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:17:24pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

That’s a shit ton of snow.
/Captain Obvious

It’s needed. The amount of space needed to place plowed snow is often astounding.

141 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:18:23pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

It’s needed. The amount of space needed to place plowed snow is often astounding.

Yeah, I tend to forget it doesn’t melt in some places.
;)

142 jaunte  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:18:23pm
143 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:23:19pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

Yeah, I tend to forget it doesn’t melt in some places.
;)

In 2011 there was still snow at the dump in Sept. Our summer temps averaged around 28C from mid June to early Sept but just couldn’t melt it all. We’ve had a number of near record snowfalls in the last 10 years. This year we beat the 1.96m record with more than 2.0m of that annoying white crap.

144 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:30:45pm

Firearms site guns.com smacks Robert Zimmerman for his DERPy appearance on Piers Morgan’s CNN show:

Last night on Pier’s Morgan’s fledgling CNN show Robert Zimmerman Jr., brother of George, came on as a guest to try and explain his racist tweets from this past weekend. As expected a meltdown incurred as Piers Morgan only likes to hear the sound of his own voice and George Zimmerman who although is smart, is his own (and possibly his brothers) worst enemy. As you can read in this article, Robert Zimmerman poorly tried to point out an existing media bias by somehow linking images of Trayvon Martin and alleged baby killer De’Marquise Elkins by Tweeting innocuous photos of them flipping the bird on Facebook. He then followed that up by tweeting this is the reason people might think blacks are ‘risky.’

(Link in original, followed by screencaps of the racist tweets)

Robert Zimmerman is right in that there was and is a media bias against his brother George and gun owners everywhere regarding stand your ground laws. The problem is he is doing his brothers defense and everyone else in the gun world a diservice by misrepresenting facts and delving into racial commentary he is constantly having to apologize for.

146 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:45:57pm

re: #145 Gus

Background Checks are Easy - Americans for Responsible Solutions

[Embedded content]

It’s the best we have the ability to do right now, but I’d not say that it’s always easy - Until I filed a fingerprint card and got a Unique ID number from NICS I received a 72 hour hold on every long gun purchase that I made. That said, putting money and better records into NICS is the best possible outcome that will actually happen. Even that may cost the Democrats the Senate so the Majority Leader is probably really skittish right now trying to appease the Left while holding off the Right.

147 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:46:09pm

Christian Right Now Outraged At Being Told Their Faith Is Meaningful to Them

Scott’s insinuation that the professor was trying to teach a “lesson” of hating Jesus Christ or religion or whatever is pure, unadulterated horseshit. I guessed right off the bat that it was either going to be a psychology or communications course where the whole point of the exercise was to examine the power of symbols or taboos or something like that. Sure enough, that’s exactly what it was.

“Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper,” the synopsis said. “Most will hesitate. Ask why they can’t step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture.”

The point of the exercise was to demonstrate to students that words aren’t “just” words, but have weight and value. Students were told ahead of time that many of them would not step on the paper because of this. Students were expected not to stomp on it, because the point of it was to examine why some words have so much power over us. Not only is this not really that hard an exercise to understand, it’s the sort of party trick to teach an important lesson that church youth groups and camps use all the time. The complaining student, Ryan Rotela, is so incredibly stupid that he has no idea how stupid he sounds.

Rotela, who identifies himself as a Mormon, said that he put the paper back on his desk instead of stomping on it.

“Any time you stomp on something, it shows that you believe that something has no value,” he said. “If you were to stomp on the word ‘Jesus,’ it says that the word has no value.”

No shit, Sherlock. That was the point of the exercise. Too bad you’re literally so stupid that you can’t even learn something after you fucking learned it.

148 jaunte  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:51:03pm

via Courtney Milan:

SCALIA: Tell me, Counsel. Gay marriage: Bad for children, or the worst for children?

COOPER: We really don’t know. Gay marriage is so new. We have no evidence. It could be that gay marriage will cause aliens to descend on this planet and eat the flesh of all children under the age of sixteen. Or maybe not. We just don’t know. We have to think of the children.

KENNEDY: This is extremely persuasive to me.

KAGAN: So what you’re saying is that when there are no longer children to think of, no marriage?

COOPER: Precisely.

KAGAN: So a state could pass a law refusing to recognize a marriage between people who are both over 55?

COOPER: No, because they could procreate!

KAGAN: I have checked with my girl parts, and they assure me this is not possible.

Truncated transcript from today’s SCOTUS argument

149 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:51:42pm

re: #146 William Barnett-Lewis

It’s the best we have the ability to do right now, but I’d not say that it’s always easy - Until I filed a fingerprint card and got a Unique ID number from NICS I received a 72 hour hold on every long gun purchase that I made. That said, putting money and better records into NICS is the best possible outcome that will actually happen. Even that may cost the Democrats the Senate so the Majority Leader is probably really skittish right now trying to appease the Left while holding off the Right.

There’s also the fallout from Andrew Cuomo’s DERP of a gun control bill, whose mental health reporting provisions were so poorly written that DoVA told its doctors in New York State not to comply with the law.

FAILs like that do not help a cause.

150 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:53:25pm

I don’t know what it is about TED Talks… but… whew.

151 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:55:01pm

re: #148 jaunte

Scalia has it backward, the only evidence is that gay marriage is good for children. There are statistics.

For obvious reasons, the children of gay marriages do better than average children. Obvious reason being that gays who adopt children had to go through a hell of a lot to do it, they’re motivated.

152 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 8:59:59pm

re: #151 stabby

Scalia has it backward, the only evidence is that gay marriage is good for children. There are statistics.

For obvious reasons, the children of gay marriages do better than average children. Obvious reason being that gays who adopt children had to go through a hell of a lot to do it, they’re motivated.

It’s a parody, Stabby.

153 jaunte  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:00:22pm

We need a Poe’s Law font.

154 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:04:18pm

Well, watched Bioshock Infinite played all the way through…and I gotta say, that was one hell of a mindfuck.

155 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:05:39pm

re: #151 stabby

Scalia has it backward, the only evidence is that gay marriage is good for children. There are statistics.

For obvious reasons, the children of gay marriages do better than average children. Obvious reason being that gays who adopt children had to go through a hell of a lot to do it, they’re motivated.

Having gone through the wringer that is international adoption (and which is a 1000x easier than the hell they put you through for an in state adoption), I’d have to agree with this. Expensive and paperwork that makes the US Army look like amateurs at bureaucracy. At least we had the good fortune of going through the least corrupt communist nation (Socialist Republic of Vietnam) so that the fees we paid really were fees that went to the orphanage rather than some asshat’s pocket like in China or in the former Soviet block.

I swear getting a Top Secret clearance might well be easier…

156 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:05:43pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

Well, watched Bioshock Infinite played all the way through…and I gotta say, that was one hell of a mindfuck.

One would expect it to be. Care to say more?

157 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:07:00pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

One would expect it to be. Care to say more?

That’s just it, describing such an interesting and yet convoluted storyline without giving away the ending.

158 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:09:06pm

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

It’s a parody, Stabby.

The parody isn’t far from the truth though. Scalia really is a sniveling bigot, and completely full of shit on this subject. Did you bother listening to the oral arguments in Hollingsworth v. Perry?

JUSTICE SCALIA: Mr. Cooper, let me — let me give you one — one concrete thing. I don’t know why you don’t mention some concrete things. If you redefine marriage to include same-sex couples, you must — you must permit adoption by same-sex couples, and there’s -­ there’s considerable disagreement among — among sociologists as to what the consequences of raising a child in a — in a single-sex family, whether that is harmful to the child or not. Some States do not — do not permit adoption by same-sex couples for that reason.

JUSTICE GINSBURG: California — no, California does.

JUSTICE SCALIA: I don’t think we know the answer to that. Do you know the answer to that, whether it — whether it harms or helps the child?

MR. COOPER: No, Your Honor. And there’s -­ there’s -­

JUSTICE SCALIA: But that’s a possible deleterious effect, isn’t it?

MR. COOPER: Your Honor, it — it is certainly among the -­

JUSTICE GINSBURG: It wouldn’t be in California, Mr. Cooper, because that’s not an issue, is it? In California, you can have same-sex couples adopting a child.

MR. COOPER: That’s right, Your Honor. That is true. And — but — but, Your Honor, here’s -­here’s the point -­

JUSTICE SCALIA: I — it’s true, but irrelevant. They’re arguing for a nationwide rule which applies to States other than California, that every State must allow marriage by same-sex couples. And so even though States that believe it is harmful — and I take no position on whether it’s harmful or not, but it is certainly true that — that there’s no scientific answer to that question at this point in time.

Yes there is.

Still, there is a growing consensus among experts that the sexual orientation of parents is not a major determinant in how well children fare in school, on cognitive tests and in terms of their emotional development. What matters more, researchers found, is the quality of parenting and the family’s economic well-being.

“I can tell you we’re never going to get the perfect science, but what you have right now is good-enough science,” said Benjamin Siegel, a professor of pediatrics at Boston University School of Medicine. “The data we have right now are good enough to know what’s good for kids.”

Siegel co-wrote a report issued by the American Academy of Pediatrics last week when it came out in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage. The group looked at more than 80 studies, books and articles conducted over 30 years and concluded that legalizing same-sex marriage would strengthen families and benefit children.

The best study, Siegel said, is the National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study, which began in 1986 with 154 lesbian mothers who conceived children through artificial insemination. A recent look at 78 offspring found that the children did fine — better, even, than children in a similar study involving more diverse families.

159 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:14:04pm
160 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:14:29pm

Oy. I can see the skin on my hands starting to change. It’s like tiny waves now. The wrinkles that grow as we age.

161 klys  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:15:46pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

I’m fairly certain that our neighbors are a lesbian couple. I don’t know for sure, because I’ve not asked (that would be rude) and we mostly interact just by waving at each other across the street. They have a couple of wonderful kids who seem perfectly well adjusted.

A couple houses down the street had “Yes on Prop 8” signs when that issue came up. My heart broke. Our “No on Prop 8” sign got stolen and I’m fairly certain it was our neighbors who replaced it for us. Only political yard sign I have ever put up.

162 Tigger2  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:16:08pm

I’m 60 and that’s more ammunition then I have bought over my years as a hunter.

163 jaunte  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:16:13pm

re: #160 Gus

Your eyes are supposed to get fuzzy at the same time, so you won’t notice.

164 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:17:08pm

Man pulls gun in road rage fight, caught on tape

165 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:17:45pm

re: #163 jaunte

Your eyes are supposed to get fuzzy at the same time, so you won’t notice.

I might have ear hair whiskers that I haven’t noticed yet. Need those to feel your way through the house as the eyes fail.

166 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:19:39pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

And more to the point Scalia’s argument is an irrelevant dodge. We don’t gauge the validity of marriages on their comparative ability to raise children. He’s creating an entirely new test not as a objective measure of all marriages, but as a proscriptive barrier to gay marriage only. In essence he’s trying to justify a violation of the equal protection clause by asking a question that in itself violates the equal protection clause.

He’s fractally wrong.

167 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:19:41pm

re: #160 Gus

Oy. I can see the skin on my hands starting to change. It’s like tiny waves now. The wrinkles that grow as we age.

I’m just glad I don’t have boobs to droop.

168 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:19:55pm

IL wins national train-building work Walker, legislators killed in Milwaukee

When Scott Walker forced the termination of a proposed Madison-to-Milwaukee Amtrak line - - a component of a regional high-speed train system the Obama administration wanted to extend into the state - - he also sacrificed the construction of train equipment for other states initially-planned for the developing Milwaukee factory in the economically-depressed 30th. St. corridor.

All to block the construction of the federally-funded Amtrak extension that Walker claimed would cost Wisconsin $10 million a year to maintain (when the state routinely budgets billions annually for highway building and millions for maintenance, plowing, patrolling and other activities) but which state transportation officials said could actually be as little as $750,000 annually.

And to deny a legacy to Gov. Jim Doyle, (D) who’d set these wheels in motion in cooperation with Pres. Obama - - even if it meant squashing a new industry in the state with regional and national implications, and Wisconsin’s leadership in passenger rail moderization.

Wisconsin lost an $800 million grant, with a few bucks retained for improvements to the successful Hiawatha line between Milwaukee and Chicago; the Obama administration sent the rest of Wisconsin’s fundis to other states, including Illinois where there was and is high interest in pushing high-speed connections with the Midwest regional system Walker declined to join.

169 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:22:19pm

re: #164 Amory Blaine

Man pulls gun in road rage fight, caught on tape

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More on that same incident:

The couple charged in the incident is Bradley Turner, 40, and his wife Christy Turner, 30, of La Grange, North Carolina, the Carteret County Sheriff’s office told the Sun Journal.

What they did, according to Guns.com, is a textbook example of what is NOT a self-defense situation.

The Turners, with their toddler, were driving down Institute Road in Newport, North Carolina, Sunday afternoon. At some point during the drive a young man chauffeuring his buddies pulled in front of them or, from the Turners’ point-of-view, cut them off. Either way, the Turners apparently saw it as an abrasive maneuver and as too many motorists today seem to think, felt the need to punish the perpetrators.

The Turners followed the vehicle to a neighborhood and parked behind it. If you watch the video, which was caught on a passenger’s cell phone camera, you’ll see Bradley Turner aggressively approach the young driver. He curses at him and accuses him of poor driving but ultimately punches him. In response, the young driver and his buddy fight back until they knock Bradley Turner to the ground. At which point they walk away.

What happens next raised the Turners’ behavior to a possible felony level and serves as a serious reminder of the dangers that can occur when emotions (like the kind you might feel after getting cut off on the road and beat up) are permitted to trump sensibility.

Christy Turner stepped out and handed her husband a loaded handgun, who then pointed it at the young driver. The young driver and his friend run away (as they should because a pissed off dude has a gun). While walking toward the young men, Bradley Turner trains the gun on one of the two men (he reportedly fired one shot in the video, but it’s difficult to tell), stops and retreats to his SUV. That’s where the video ends.

170 dragonath  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:22:31pm

re: #160 Gus

Oy. I can see the skin on my hands starting to change. It’s like tiny waves now. The wrinkles that grow as we age.

Itchy.
Tasty.

171 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:23:24pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

I haven’t got the time to listen to that sort of thing right now, Frank.

172 klys  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:24:03pm

re: #167 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I’m just glad I don’t have boobs to droop.

But on the flip side, you’d have boobs?

173 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:24:28pm

re: #164 Amory Blaine

Man pulls gun in road rage fight, caught on tape

[Embedded content]

Gah, so stupid. All of them. Guy threw the first punch. Luckily they showed restraint.

174 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:26:07pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I haven’t got the time to listen to that sort of thing right now, Frank.

Empathy dude. People’s fundamental rights are at stake. In the decades to come you may well look back on your blithe disregard for the most important civil rights struggle of your lifetime with a certain amount of regret.

175 klys  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:28:04pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

This.

People’s fundamental rights that in no way will impact your own.

176 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:29:38pm

re: #175 klys

This.

People’s fundamental rights that in no way will impact your own.

I’s called integrity.

177 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:33:12pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

And even if they didn’t … it’s called integrity.

Actually, it’s called “Big Project + End of Selling for current event = very little spare time.”

178 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:33:19pm

re: #160 Gus

Oy. I can see the skin on my hands starting to change. It’s like tiny waves now. The wrinkles that grow as we age.

There are so many things about growing old that nobody talks about, so it surprises everybody when it happens to them. I guess the older generation just forgot to tell us, or maybe they’re just waiting to see the smug wiped off our faces as we get to those ages ourselves.

179 klys  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:34:53pm

re: #178 Single-handed sailor

I’m voting for option B. My husband swears he’s going to laugh in my face when I turn 40.

180 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:35:52pm

re: #179 klys

It’s OK, you can promise to laugh at him, when he hits 50! Or whatever his next “Big 0” is!

181 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:36:14pm

re: #172 klys

But on the flip side, you’d have boobs?

I have the wife’s to play with, I don’t need any of my own.

182 klys  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:36:47pm

re: #180 Dancing along the light of day

Well, he has a substantial head start. I’m still a ways off from 40. Even 30 is still a bit off.

He gets mad when I start counting white hairs.

183 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:39:44pm

re: #179 klys

I’m voting for option B. My husband swears he’s going to laugh in my face when I turn 40.

I remember teasing my workmates over 40 for needing glasses. I hit 42 and I started to have to go outside , in bright sunlight, to read the white pages in the phone book. By 48 I had to use +1.5 glasses to read a newspaper, by 55 I had to go outside in the sun with glasses to read the phone book.

184 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:40:14pm

re: #182 klys

Meh, my Mom was grey at 35, and I’m not sure when, but I am now totally grey. Much lower maintenance!

185 klys  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:42:26pm

re: #183 Single-handed sailor

I remember teasing my workmates over 40 for needing glasses. I hit 42 and I started to have to go outside , in bright sunlight, to read the white pages in the phone book. By 48 I had to use +1.5 glasses to read a newspaper, by 55 I had to go outside in the sun with glasses to read the phone book.

My Ph.D. adviser finally had to cave to getting reading glasses while I was working on my degree.

On the other hand, I already have glasses specifically for closeup work (I do counted cross stitch on high-count fabric), to try and avoid making things worse. And then the distance glasses. For driving.

Fun story: my sisters and I all got our (distance) glasses the same year despite there being up to almost 8 years between us.

186 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:43:01pm

Curious…why did she have .303 ammo when none of the weapons found use .303, something missing here?

187 klys  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:43:15pm

re: #184 Dancing along the light of day

I’m blonde. (So’s he.) So it makes finding them more challenging. (I mostly stick to sideburns.)

188 jaunte  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:51:52pm

re: #186 Tiny alien kittens are watching you

I think the listing of “Enfield bolt-action .323 rifle” is a typo.

en.wikipedia.org

189 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:52:56pm

re: #186 Tiny alien kittens are watching you

Curious…why did she have .303 ammo when none of the weapons found use .303, something missing here?

didn’t they mention an enfield rifle?

190 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:54:23pm

re: #186 Tiny alien kittens are watching you

Curious…why did she have .303 ammo when none of the weapons found use .303, something missing here?

Question self answered, the “Enfield bolt-action .323 rifle” listed is a typo it should read .303, I thought the .323 seemed strange because I had never heard of a 8mm Enfield rifle before. After checking online I confirmed that there is no such thing as a .323 Enfield while of course British .303 Enfields are very common.

EDIT: Made particularly famous here in America by the movie “Zulu” about the battle of Roarke’s drift [sic?]. I still remember that from many years ago.

191 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:56:17pm

re: #186 Tiny alien kittens are watching you

Curious…why did she have .303 ammo when none of the weapons found use .303, something missing here?

The Lee Enfield is probably the .303 British. The .323 is likely a typo, it’s almost unheard of for an English rifle to be re-chambered in that caliber, the most common cartridge for which is properly called 8mm Mauser.

192 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:58:38pm

Here’s a Turkish Enfield / 8mm Mauser hybrid, but that’s a very rare, very weird thing.

193 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 10:42:35pm

re: #186 Tiny alien kittens are watching you

Curious…why did she have .303 ammo when none of the weapons found use .303, something missing here?

Despite the idiot police, the Enfield is a .303 rifle. Not .323 which is the actual diameter of the cartridge called 7.92 or 8mm Mauser.

194 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 10:45:44pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

Here’s a Turkish Enfield / 8mm Mauser hybrid, but that’s a very rare, very weird thing.

Yep. A bit more common is what is called a “Tweed”. That is a Turkish Mauser action rebarreled as 6.5x55 Swedish. Turkish + Swede = Tweed.

195 KiTA  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 4:26:20am

My friend who is a high spectrum Autist (Asperger’s Syndrome, to be specific) is absolutely terrified that they’re going to try to blame this on Asperger’s Syndrome or Autism. They did, too, for a split second after the massacre.

Fortunately the NRA seems to have dropped that particular scapegoat in lieu of blaming violent video games and scaring the rubes into thinking the scary black president is going to take their guns away.

196 Destro  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:26:12am

re: #195 KiTA

My friend who is a high spectrum Autist (Asperger’s Syndrome, to be specific) is absolutely terrified that they’re going to try to blame this on Asperger’s Syndrome or Autism. They did, too, for a split second after the massacre.

Fortunately the NRA seems to have dropped that particular scapegoat in lieu of blaming violent video games and scaring the rubes into thinking the scary black president is going to take their guns away.

The scapegoating of the mentally ill by the NRA is very disturbing. It bothers me more and more because LaPierre scapegoats against the mentally ill using the most vile way possible to smear the mentally ill - calling them ‘lunatics’, etc.

197 Local Media Monitor  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 9:51:36am

This is silly. The NRA membership proves—even suggests— exactly nothing. It reminds me of Breitbart or some other wingnut website highlighting the fact that a shooter was a Democrat or owned a copy of “An Inconvenient Truth”.

198 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 11:21:04am

re: #197 Local Media Monitor

Exactly what did I “suggest?” You seem to have read some other article entirely, because the truth is I didn’t “suggest” anything. Try reading the actual words, instead of your imaginary version of them.

199 Local Media Monitor  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 2:19:47pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

Come off it. That’s what the boldface was for, it’s what this whole thread is about. And again it’s like the Daily Caller trying to make hay about of a shooter being a member of being a member of MoveOn or something. Or this.

200 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 3:00:18pm

re: #199 Local Media Monitor

Come off it. That’s what the boldface was for, it’s what this whole thread is about.

What was it for? I have no idea what you’re bitching about. Be specific. What are you imagining I was trying to say?

201 Local Media Monitor  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 5:26:19pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Um, if you don’t know what the boldface in your post signifies, then who does? Charles C. Johnson?

202 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 5:28:38pm

re: #201 Local Media Monitor

I figured it would just be more passive aggressive bullshit, but thanks for making one thing clear.

203 Local Media Monitor  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 6:31:38pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Obviously this is of little import and not worth two adults’ time. But it was just this:
I say, the focus on Lanza’s NRA membership is silly.
You say, what focus?
I say, the focus by boldfacing the NRA items in the arsenal, and the subsequent focus on it in the comments.
You say, what are you talking about?
And it didn’t go much further than that, just repetition & your personal slights.

204 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 6:33:28pm

re: #203 Local Media Monitor

You’re an adult? Sorry, I didn’t realize that. I’ll keep that in mind for the next passive aggressive moment.

205 Gus  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 6:46:39pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

You’re an adult? Sorry, I didn’t realize that. I’ll keep that in mind for the next passive aggressive moment.

Charles, it’s pretty clear that your only alternative now is to repent — I say repent! — for putting the NRA references in boldface type and then writing a heart felt 3,000 word apology for doing so. //

206 klys  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 6:48:58pm

re: #205 Gus

Charles, it’s pretty clear that your only alternative now is to repent — I say repent! — for putting the NRA references in boldface type and then writing a heart felt 3,000 word apology for doing so. //

But remember, you will still have BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS that you can never get rid of and should flog yourself and never express a political opinion in penance. //

207 Gus  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 6:50:41pm

re: #206 klys

But remember, you will still have BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS that you can never get rid of and should flog yourself and never express a political opinion in penance. //

If you put NRA references in bold face font, you were wrong! And even if you went on to be a great person or public servant, that is an eternal blot on your existence in this world and the next!

208 klys  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 6:54:17pm

re: #207 Gus

If you put NRA references in bold face font, you were wrong! And even if you went on to be a great person or public servant, that is an eternal blot on your existence in this world and the next!

/gasp!

And also, seriously, why would their potential membership in an organization that has made clear its position on gun control have any relevance at all to a case where 26 people were killed in 5 minutes with a gun? Lies and blasphemy, just efforts to tie together two completely irrelevant facets of the conversation!

209 teleskiguy  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 9:17:20pm

I read this article this morning right after I woke up, and my heart just sank. I felt so sad and angry for a moment there. I finally shared it on my Twitter tonight because I read this and this is not right. Just bad bad karma, very menacing vibrations coming out of that Lanza household.

OK for now.

Charles, thank you for comment 64! I think it an appropriate balance for the weighty article.

teleskiguy


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