The Most Awful Right Wing Tweet About Denali

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In which Breitbart “News” propagandist Ben Shapiro turns the renaming of Mt. McKinley to Denali (its traditional Alaskan native name) into yet another opportunity for race-baiting his knuckle-dragging right wing audience, in the form of a “joke” about the death of Trayvon Martin.

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b.d.  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:08:40am

Stay classy Benjamin.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:09:27am

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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:09:31am

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:09:45am

Glad you used the “Ben of the Corn” graphic for all Ben Shapiro related Derp!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:10:27am

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b_sharp  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:10:49am

Poor little chap must feel so ignored since Chuckie raised its ugly head.

Keep plugging along little Ben, eventually somebody is bound to notice you without laughing.

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b.d.  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:11:48am

Does Mt. McKinley have its own Twitter ribbon yet?

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:13:13am

In the classic conservative ‘punching down’ humor style, Ben picks a target he knows absolutely can’t fight back.

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allegro  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:13:19am

re: #7 b.d.

Does Mt. McKinley have its own Twitter ribbon yet?

Yeah, this is right up there with Remember the Alamo!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:13:22am

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:14:14am

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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:14:29am

re: #7 b.d.

Does Mt. McKinley have its own Twitter ribbon yet?

Mount McKinley….NEVER FORGET!!! #Benghazi #Denali
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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:16:09am

Or maybe this?

NEVER FORGET!!!! #Benghazi #Denali # McKinghazi
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:16:20am

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

Why did Obama change the name of Mt. McKinley? Maybe for the same reason he returned the bust of Churchill

Because he doesn’t believe WWII happened? Because he wanted to stick it in the eye of military heroes like Reagan? I don’t know, help me out here.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:16:59am

Dude…even He Who Walks Between the Rows is like “get it over, man.”

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:17:35am

And in other news Rep. Pete Sessions thinks that America’s gun violence is because of our diversity.

*headdesk*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:17:36am

Since I’m seeing a lot of stupid on twitter and conservative blogs screaming that Obama is a dictator and why didn’t he just leave it up to the people of Alaska to make the change:
1) Alaskans already called it Denali.
2) They voted for it and sent the resolution to DC in 1975:

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:17:49am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Why did Obama change the name of Mt. McKinley? Maybe for the same reason he returned the bust of Churchill. t.co
— Ben Shapiro

I sure hope Ben is well compensated for all the magnificent policy analysis he’s churning out these days.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:18:28am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

He should have acted like a Republican and not returned property that doesn’t belong to him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:18:37am

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:19:01am

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:22:13am

Is this an attempt to buy Alaska’s support for Obama’s illegal 3rd term? Hey we’re just asking questions….

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:22:26am

Ayep, Trump’s fans hate Geraghty’s piece attacking Trump as Buchanan’s heir:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:23:25am

gaaaahhhh

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Franklin  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:24:27am

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

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TedStriker  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:24:30am

re: #23 Nyet

Ayep, Trump’s fans hate Geraghty’s piece attacking Trump as Buchanan’s heir:

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When all you have is hate, everything looks like a jihad…

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:25:18am

re: #23 Nyet

.@AnnLillianBond You seem really intent upon dismissing any writing you don’t like as a “jihad.”
— jimgeraghty

Ur tweet at me is JIHAD!!!!1

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:26:05am

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

New Orleans sea wall has segments with more concrete than Hoover Dam & 8x steel of Eiffel Tower. We CAN build a wall at Southern border.
— Gov. Mike Huckabee

LOLwhut?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:26:17am

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:26:54am

re: #25 Franklin

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#McKinleyHill

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:27:22am

re: #28 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

LOLwhut?

inorite?
lol!

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:27:38am

Trump is really splitting the wingnuts apart.

NRO is basically anti-Trump, while Breitbart is in his pocket.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:28:36am

re: #32 Nyet

Trump is really splitting the wingnuts apart.

NRO is basically anti-Trump, while Breitbart is in his pocket.

They still have their racism. It’ll bring them back together when the time comes.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:28:41am

Ohio could appropriate one of the many Indian Mounds in their state and name it after McKinley. Kill two birds with the same stone—denigrate Natives and name something after McKinley.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:28:58am

re: #32 Nyet

Trump is really splitting the wingnuts apart.

NRO is basically anti-Trump, while Breitbart is in his pocket.

Time to throw NRO, the Dead Breitbarts, RedState and Dim Jim in a steel cage.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:29:04am

I’ve got it!

Rename Lubbock TX for McKinley.

I have suggested several times that Confederate bushwhacker and slavery enthusiast Tom Lubbock was not a suitable namesake for any place in the modern world or even for a place in west Texas.
Wingnuts have adopted McKinley as a symbolic victim of Obammunist overreach and tyranny, so they are not likely to realize that he was a Union veteran until it is too late and the city limit signs have been replaced. Indeed, they might make it one of their goofy populist causes if everyone will still quiet about the yankee army thing for a while.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:29:12am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

The other WH bust of Churchill, also sculpted by Epstein, is standing outside of the door to the Treaty Room.

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It's on his hat!  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:30:21am

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaahhhh

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133 miles of sea wall in NO cost $14.5 billion.

The southern US border is 1,954 miles.

I’m sure Mexico will jump all over our plan to build a $200 billion wall with their money.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:30:35am

re: #23 Nyet

@jimgeraghty Including a discussion of why NRO has been waging jihad on Trump and #Trump supporters since he announced he was running?
— AnnLillianBond

She sounds like a dear soul.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:30:52am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel

McKinley does sound better.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:31:31am

re: #33 Belafon

They still have their racism. It’ll bring them back together when the time comes.

I almost want Trump to become the nominee to see the reactions.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:32:09am

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaahhhh

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Somebody remind Gov TAX TEH POORS & SAVE ALL TEH FETUS BABBIES OF 10 YR OLD RAPE VICTIMZ!!!1!!! how that seawall worked out during Katrina.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:33:00am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve got it!

Rename Lubbock TX for McKinley.

I have suggested several times that Confederate bushwhacker and slavery enthusiast Tom Lubbock was not a suitable namesake for any place in the modern world or even for a place in west Texas.
Wingnuts have adopted McKinley as a symbolic victim of Obammunist overreach and tyranny, so they are not likely to realize that he was a Union veteran until it is too late and the city limit signs have been replaced. Indeed, they might make it one of their goofy populist causes if everyone will still quiet about the yankee army thing for a while.

This is a great idea!

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iossarian  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:33:15am

What a fascinating glimpse into the right-wing psyche.

YEAH WHILE HE’S AT IT OBAMA MIGHT AS WELL NAME THE MOUNTAIN AFTER THAT BLACK THUG

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:33:21am

Roger L. Simon has a new article out at PJMedia and it’s one of the most deranged things ever.

It’s called “Looking at the Iran Deal from Anne Frank’s House” and it only gets worse:

I wondered what Anne would have thought of this, seventy years out from her death in 1945, all those tourists waiting to weep over her short life, while in today’s world Barack Obama, John Kerry and Wendy Sherman acquiesce to what could become a second Holocaust, and a more immediate one at that.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:33:34am

My main problem with Ben is not that he’s mean, but that he’s stupid.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:33:38am

re: #38 It’s on his hat!

133 miles of sea wall in NO cost $14.5 billion.

The southern US border is 1,954 miles.

I’m sure Mexico will jump all over our plan to build a $200 billion wall with their money.

More like a trillion after the inevitable cost overruns.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:33:57am

re: #45 Nyet

Roger L. Simon has a new article out at PJMedia and it’s one of the most deranged things ever.

It’s called “Looking at the Iran Deal from Anne Frank’s House” and it only gets worse:

I’m very sad to see what has become of Roger Simon.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:34:36am

re: #46 Iwouldprefernotto

My main problem with Ben is not that he’s mean, but that he’s stupid.

I think he’s mean and stupid.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:34:55am

re: #45 Nyet

You thought that was bad?

Is it too extreme to say that Ann knew these types from Auschwitz, where she was transported in 1944, the sonderkommandos and kapos that cooperated with the Nazis in the extermination of their fellow Jews? I’m sure Sherman and Kerry would recoil at the thought. But not the Ayatollah Khamenei to whose benefit all of their so-called negotiations accrued.

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allegro  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:35:07am

re: #38 It’s on his hat!

133 miles of sea wall in NO cost $14.5 billion.

The southern US border is 1,954 miles.

I’m sure Mexico will jump all over our plan to build a $200 billion wall with their money.

Well it would protect New Mexico and Arizona from hurricane storm surges.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:35:11am

re: #45 Nyet

I wondered what Anne would have thought of this, seventy years out from her death in 1945, all those tourists waiting to weep over her short life, while in today’s world Barack Obama, John Kerry and Wendy Sherman acquiesce to what could become a second Holocaust, and a more immediate one at that.

Today is full of LOLwhut?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:35:52am

re: #50 Nyet

You thought that was bad?

OFFS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:35:59am

You likely have never seen Rick Perry like this before - not even at his 2011 Christians-only, separation of church and state violating prayer rally, where he quoted the Bible, often, while he claimed it was a religious, not a political event. That religious, not a political event launched his quickly-failed 2012 presidential campaign.

The former Texas governor, still under indictment, delivered a rousing hellfire and brimstone speech attacking liberals and “the left,” over what Perry claimed is “the corruption, the crony capitalism, the greed” in Washington.

And he asked his fellow Christians if they were willing to die for his cause.

snip

“What are you willing to die for?,” Perry, a nondenominational evangelical, shouted. “Are you willing to rise up and stand for God and to go forward and live for the principles and the values that this country were based upon … Are you ready? Onward Christian soldiers!,” Perry bellowed.

wow…

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:35:59am

re: #46 Iwouldprefernotto

My main problem with Ben is not that he’s mean, but that he’s stupid.

He was smart enough to graduate from Harvard. I think he is a trans-stupid.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:36:24am

re: #52 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Today is full of LOLwhut?

The hyperbole is too damn high.

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Bird in the Paw  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:36:53am

There is no wall that cannot be scaled or tunneled unless there are umpteen bazillion people defending it. And even then, it will fall

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:37:19am

re: #55 The Vicious Babushka

He was smart enough to graduate from Harvard. I think he is a trans-stupid.

You know who else wen to Harvard?

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:37:30am

re: #50 Nyet

As for Barack Obama, the less said the better. This man thinks he knows what’s best for all of us under any conditions. But those of us who grew up in the Jewish tradition, almost no matter how secular, should recognize Haman when we see him.

It’s a not very well disguised call to hang Obama, like Haman was hanged.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:37:32am

Has anyone in the GOP Clown Car declared to repeal every single letter of Denali?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:37:51am

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

‘What Are You Willing To Die For?’: Rick Perry Wants Christians To ‘Rise Up And Stand For God’ t.co
— Curtis Vause

Today’s GOP: every campaign a religious crusade to destroy the infidel.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:38:40am

re: #59 Nyet

It’s a not very well disguised call to hang Obama, like Haman was hanged.

Dammit, now I want Obamataschen, and they don’t exist.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:38:57am

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

Perry, getting worked up after having to read from his notes at the podium, continued.

“He went in there and he overturned the tables of the money changers. He saw corruption, just like today we need somebody that’s got the backbone to go to Washington, D.C., and turn over the tables of the money changers, of the corruption, of the greed that we see in Washington, D.C. And the question is: Will you join me in that effort? Will you load up? Are you ready to sacrifice? Are you ready to stop the corruption, the crony capitalism, the greed that we see in that temple of government in Washington, D.C.?”

No incitement there, nossir.

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Bird in the Paw  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:38:59am

re: #55 The Vicious Babushka

He was smart enough to graduate from Harvard. I think he is a trans-stupid.

Ok, you won the bestest and mostest accurate description of him.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:39:15am

re: #59 Nyet

It’s a not very well disguised call to hang Obama, like Haman was hanged.

I wonder who peed in Simon’s corn flakes this morning.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:39:20am

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

How long before he just cuts it down to “BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!”?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:39:33am

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:40:12am

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:40:15am

re: #63 jaunte

and turn over the tables of the money changers, of the corruption, of the greed that we see in Washington, D.C.

This again, I thought greed was good?

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:40:16am

re: #65 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I wonder who peed in Simon’s corn flakes this morning.

As usual, he himself.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:41:07am

re: #69 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

He’s rousing the footsoldiers.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:41:59am

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

Holy sh*t! Perry asked mob of supporters

OK, wait, Perry has a ‘mob of supporters’?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:42:54am

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

Perry asked supporters whether they were “willing to die” in the battle against the “political corruption” of “the left.” “Will you join me in that effort? Will you load up? Are you ready to sacrifice?” Perry asked Saturday. “What are you willing to die for? Are you willing to rise up and stand for God and to go forward and live for the principles and the values that this country were based upon? Are you ready? Onward Christian soldiers!”

Rick Perry sounds no different than Islamic terrorists.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:43:08am

re: #45 Nyet

Roger L. Simon has a new article out at PJMedia and it’s one of the most deranged things ever.

It’s called “Looking at the Iran Deal from Anne Frank’s House” and it only gets worse:

Who remembers when these people freaked out when Reagan sold weapons to Iraq & AWACS to Saudi Arabia? Me neither.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:43:22am

Winding up the Travis Bickles.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:43:32am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:44:09am

Some moron on my FB is apparently convinced Denali is some kind of a muslim word.

…sigh…

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:44:16am

Have conservatives gotten crazier or were they always this crazy? I was a couple years behind Charles in reforming and it was the crazy that drove me from being a conservative too.

I used to contribute to a conservative group blog here in Virginia and I eventually left because of some of the stupid shit that got posted and the mentality of some of the members.

A little over a year later, they were comparing the boycotts of Chick-fil-A to Kristallnacht.

Were they always that crazy? Was I?

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:44:30am

A few days after the Anne Frank article Simon published “Amsterdam Diary: The Iran Deal Seen from the Jewish Museum”:

I wonder how someone like Nadler sleeps. What does he think when more and more news of this “deal” surfaces, lately including the reports of secret side agreements that not even John Kerry has read — or so he says. I don’t know the level of Nadler’s education, but if he knows anything about the twentieth century, he should know that the Wannsee Conference was held in secret.

Roger, are you OK?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:44:35am

re: #72 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

OK, wait, Perry has a ‘mob of supporters’?

Because, no matter how few, they are heavily armed, angry and stupid, with no will of their own?

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iossarian  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:45:02am

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

Some moron on my FB is apparently convinced Denali is some kind of a muslim word.

…sigh…

It means “Ronald Reagan is a halfwit” in Tajikikikistani.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:45:07am

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

Some moron on my FB is apparently convinced Denali is some kind of a muslim word.

…sigh…

Din Ali? Like whateverthehellisthatsuppostomeanwhogivesadamaboutdumbasses

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:45:27am

re: #57 Bird in the Paw

There is no wall that cannot be scaled or tunneled unless there are umpteen bazillion people defending it. And even then, it will fall

Lessee—Hadrian’s Wall had guardtowers every mile (well, every mille passuum, ~5000 ft.), so…1954 posts. How many troops are you going to need at each one? A regiment do the job? even 1954 companies, you’re going to have to bring back the draft for damn sure….

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:45:32am

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It's on his hat!  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:45:41am

re: #73 Dr. Matt

Rick Perry sounds no different than Islamic terrorists.

Two sides of the same coin.

re: #75 jaunte

Winding up the Travis Bickles.

What was the term that I learned here? Stochastic terrorism?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:46:27am

re: #73 Dr. Matt

Rick Perry sounds no different than Islamic terrorists.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:47:04am

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:47:24am

re: #83 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Lessee—Hadrian’s Wall had guardtowers every mile (well, every mille passuum, ~5000 ft.), so…1954 posts. How many troops are you going to need at each one? A regiment do the job? even 1954 companies, you’re going to have to bring back the draft for damn sure….

But wait, I thought government employees were a bad thing, and so we should never give them any COLA increases to their wages as an encouragement for them to quit…

(/)

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Franklin  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:47:41am

re: #83 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Lessee—Hadrian’s Wall had guardtowers every mile (well, every mille passuum, ~5000 ft.), so…1954 posts. How many troops are you going to need at each one? A regiment do the job? even 1954 companies, you’re going to have to bring back the draft for damn sure….

Leave it up to the FreeMarket™ to decide.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:49:33am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:50:53am

too soon…it’s too soon…

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:51:01am

re: #78 Timothy Watson

Have conservatives gotten crazier or were they always this crazy? I was a couple years behind Charles in reforming and it was the crazy that drove me from being a conservative too.

I used to contribute to a conservative group blog here in Virginia and I eventually left because of some of the stupid shit that got posted and the mentality of some of the members.

A little over a year later, they were comparing the boycotts of Chick-fil-A to Kristallnacht.

Were they always that crazy? Was I?

You are being gaslighted.

They are crazier. T

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nines09  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:51:45am

New GOP platform. Kill your fellow citizens Godless enemies who are evil for God. So. What’s the difference from Daesh and the GOP? The present body count? Evil walks and Perry just showed it to you.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:56:40am

re: #45 Nyet

He’s gotten really out there in the past few years.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:57:16am

re: #89 Franklin

Free Market (TM) *

*product does not contain freedom, market.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:58:11am

Ben Shapiro of the Corn really is filling in nicely where Todd Kincannon left off.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:58:21am

re: #78 Timothy Watson

Have conservatives gotten crazier or were they always this crazy? I was a couple years behind Charles in reforming and it was the crazy that drove me from being a conservative too.

I used to contribute to a conservative group blog here in Virginia and I eventually left because of some of the stupid shit that got posted and the mentality of some of the members.

A little over a year later, they were comparing the boycotts of Chick-fil-A to Kristallnacht.

Were they always that crazy? Was I?

There were always elements of craziness on the right, but there’s no doubt that the loonies have really taken over now, especially since the election of a black President. And that’s not a coincidence.

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Franklin  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:58:49am

re: #95 The Ghost of a Flea

Free Market (TM) *

*product does not contain freedom, market.

* Past performance is not indicative of future results.

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Tigger2  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:59:13am

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2015 • 11:59:49am

re: #95 The Ghost of a Flea

Free Market (TM) *

*product does not contain freedom, market.

“May contain one or more of the following: suffering, humiliation, degradation….”

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:00:15pm

re: #96 Dr. Matt

Ben Shapiro of the Corn really is filling in nicely where Todd Kincannon Chucky C Johnson left off.

I don’t think he’s reached full peak Kincannon.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:01:03pm

re: #100 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“May contain one or more of the following: suffering, humiliation, degradation….”


…trace amounts of listeria…
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:01:32pm

re: #78 Timothy Watson

I think there were always some who were this crazy. But they were more isolated. I think the GOP’s open encouragement of crazy and stupid, combined with the growth first of AM Hate Radio and then the internet has allowed them to come out of isolation. This has made crazy and stupid bullshit available to large numbers of proto-morons, who were primed to believe it, so that once they heard Rush, or watched Fox News, or read Breitbart, it kindled that inner crazy and stupid and whipped it into the dumpster fire that is Modern Conservatism.

I think a lot of more reasonable Conservatives, like you, suddenly found that their more moderate beliefs made them almost as hated as the Liberals. And kicked out of their own movements, some of them started actually thinking and realized that even their moderate Conservatism is bullshit. Note for example how stupid any number of DF’s posts now seem to you, yet they are right down the OLD Conservative line.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:02:11pm

Because hatred of blacks was not enough…

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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:02:17pm

re: #83 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

But drones!!!!!!

Except you’d still need manpower to man, maintain, and patrol, as well as intercept those who do cross border.

It’s a multibillion dollar boondoggle.

Of course, I’ve got some nitwit who’s tweeting all day long about need to build fence on Canadian border to, even though by his own source, the illegal alien issue is 1.6% of the Southern border.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:02:31pm

re: #78 Timothy Watson

I’ve met plenty of people who talked like today’s conservatives. The difference is that in years past you had to drive out to Slab City, or the Mojave, or Joshua Tree, or the BLM lands where alkali and cyanide predominate to find them.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:02:41pm

re: #102 jaunte

…trace amounts of listeria…

I see that, but what’s in the ice cream?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:03:51pm

DERP==>

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:05:35pm

LGF Ohio News Report from Columbus, Ohio’s capitol city. August 31, 2015 3:00 PM.

Things are out of control in Columbus today. All available local police officers have been called downtown to the area surrounding the State Capitol at Broad and High Streets. Ohio residents are pouring into the Capitol City by the bus load to make a stand against Washington DC and what they see as the United States government taking away a beloved Ohio symbol to one of Ohio’s Greatest Presidents ever.

Since last evening when it was announced President Obama called for Ohio’s largest mountain located in Alaska to be renamed more and more angry Ohio citizens have join the protest.

What once was known as Mount McKinley in honor of Ohio-born President William McKinley will be given to the lowly name of some unknown Alaska natives that originally called it Denali. Ohio citizens, some in their Hoverounds others being pushed in their wheelchairs, were out in force protesting.

The protest does seem to be mainly elderly people, but this reporter asked one of the younger attendees why he was joining. “Well, I am here to assist my grandfather who sometimes needs to be steadied when he stands and gets a little too vocal. He tends to hyperventilate and then is prone to pass out. So, I am here to help him not to fall over and hurt himself.”

When asked if he too is upset with the forced name change, the young man said “I never heard of William McKinley and I sure did not know there was a mountain named after him in Alaska. All I know about Alaska is that Bristol Palin lives there and I think she is pretty hot!”

Things turned ugly when Ohio Governor John Kasich inflamed the protesters telling them this was all caused by President Obama overstepping his boundaries and going over the top of Ohio’s citizens in his latest power grab. Kasich added that if Ohio can help him get the Republican nomination and then be elected President he will reverse this ugly decision and make sure that in the future it could be named after him. Mount Kasich.

Shouts of “Kenyan Usurper” and “Go Away Hussein Obama” were interspersed with the singing of Beautiful Ohio and God Bless America as protesters threw used depends in a pile on the statehouse grounds and then lighting them into an odorous bonfire that threatened to catch the dry mulch in the flowerbeds on fire and cause hundreds of dollars of damage. Police were forced to don gas masks to be able to hold their positions.

Things have quieted down at the time of this early afternoon report as most of the protesters are now napping peacefully on the lawn in their clean new emergency undergarments. Police suspect there will not be too much protesting today as many in the crowd will need at least a full day to recover from all the angry energy expended last evening when the news broke and the protesters gathered.

Local police are not going to leave the area until rumors of outside agitators can be dismissed or if proven, the agitators can be stopped and turned back at Columbus International Airport or one of the many police check points on all major highway entrances to the city.

The agitators in question are from Breitbart News and led by known rabble rouser Ben Shapiro. Breitbartians, as they are often called, inject themselves into government issues just to rile up their readers to keep them driven to read their web site. There is also talk that this may cause FOX News to show up and do their FOX and Friends news show from inside the Capitol’s rotunda tomorrow morning.

Keep reading LGF Ohio News for more reporting on this very important story.

///

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:05:57pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

If he walked down with Jesus, they’d attack him for hanging around with an Arab.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:06:14pm

re: #106 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’ve met plenty of people who talked like today’s conservatives. The difference is that in years past you had to drive out to Slab City, or the Mojave, or Joshua Tree, or the BLM lands where alkali and cyanide predominate to find them.

You made me flash on The Beast of Yucca Flats.

112
Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:06:25pm

Rubio’s Dukakis moment:

pbs.twimg.com

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:06:41pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

#Denali will be climbed by @POTUS and he will be back down with some new laws in 40 days. @ChrisLoesch
— Kevin McKeon

Like a law requiring ultrasound wands for women seeking abortions? Or a law repealing Obamacare? Or a law authorizing the building of a 2,000 mile-long war on the Mexican border?

/

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:07:37pm

re: #109 ObserverArt

This needs to be a Page! All you need is a good pic to go with it.

115
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:09:16pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

There were always elements of craziness on the right, but there’s no doubt that the loonies have really taken over now, especially since the election of a black President. And that’s not a coincidence.

But the thing is, that black president will be out of office in a year and half. They’re now using his blackness/Democrat-ness as a basis for their RW hysteria over everything they hate.

116
Franklin  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:09:48pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

This needs to be a Page! All you need is a good pic to go with it.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:11:39pm

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Kid A  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:13:07pm

re: #58 Iwouldprefernotto

You know who else wen to Harvard?

Bill O’Reilly, lol.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:15:03pm

re: #109 ObserverArt

LGF Ohio News Report from Columbus, Ohio’s capitol city. August 31, 2015 3:00 PM.

Things are out of control in Columbus today. All available local police officers have been called downtown to the area surrounding the State Capitol at Broad and High Streets. Ohio residents are pouring into the Capitol City by the bus load to make a stand against Washington DC and what they see as the United States government taking away a beloved Ohio symbol to one of Ohio’s Greatest Presidents ever.

Since last evening when it was announced President Obama called for Ohio’s largest mountain located in Alaska to be renamed more and more angry Ohio citizens have join the protest.

What once was known as Mount McKinley in honor of Ohio-born President William McKinley will be given to the lowly name of some unknown Alaska natives that originally called it Denali. Ohio citizens, some in their Hoverounds others being pushed in their wheelchairs, were out in force protesting.

The protest does seem to be mainly elderly people, but this reporter asked one of the younger attendees why he was joining. “Well, I am here to assist my grandfather who sometimes needs to be steadied when he stands and gets a little too vocal. He tends to hyperventilate and then is prone to pass out. So, I am here to help him not to fall over and hurt himself.”

When asked if he too is upset with the forced name change, the young man said “I never heard of William McKinley and I sure did not know there was a mountain named after him in Alaska. All I know about Alaska is that Bristol Palin lives there and I think she is pretty hot!”

Things turned ugly when Ohio Governor John Kasich inflamed the protesters telling them this was all caused by President Obama overstepping his boundaries and going over the top of Ohio’s citizens in his latest power grab. Kasich added that if Ohio can help him get the Republican nomination and then be elected President he will reverse this ugly decision and make sure that in the future it could be named after him. Mount Kasich.

Shouts of “Kenyan Usurper” and “Go Away Hussein Obama” were interspersed with the singing of Beautiful Ohio and God Bless America as protesters threw used depends in a pile on the statehouse grounds and then lighting them into an odorous bonfire that threatened to catch the dry mulch in the flowerbeds on fire and cause hundreds of dollars of damage. Police were forced to don gas masks to be able to hold their positions.

Things have quieted down at the time of this early afternoon report as most of the protesters are now napping peacefully on the lawn in their clean new emergency undergarments. Police suspect there will not be too much protesting today as many in the crowd will need at least a full day to recover from all the angry energy expended last evening when the news broke and the protesters gathered.

Local police are not going to leave the area until rumors of outside agitators can be dismissed or if proven, the agitators can be stopped and turned back at Columbus International Airport or one of the many police check points on all major highway entrances to the city.

The agitators in question are from Breitbart News and led by known rabble rouser Ben Shapiro. Breitbartians, as they are often called, inject themselves into government issues just to rile up their readers to keep them driven to read their web site. There is also talk that this may cause FOX News to show up and do their FOX and Friends news show from inside the Capitol’s rotunda tomorrow morning.

Keep reading LGF Ohio News for more reporting on this very important story.

///

Mother Nature is sending help:

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:17:04pm

re: #118 Kid A

Bill O’Reilly, lol.

Must have been before Harvard issued its mandatory Freshman year “This is a Falafel” seminar.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:19:44pm

re: #117 Kragar

Because you really want to wait till video 11 for the good stuff

“Even though the First great PP video totally proved PP is committing all the felonies by selling baby parts everywhere, and no further evidence is needed to PROOF this confirmed fact here are 10 moar videos to prove this fact just in case.”

/

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TimJ  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:20:03pm

Personally, I’ve always lived my life trying to avoid saying things that will automatically get my ass kicked in public. Young Master Shapiro must never leave his house.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:20:18pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

This needs to be a Page! All you need is a good pic to go with it.

I’ll see what I can do. I’ll try to get it into a page this evening. Thanks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:23:49pm

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Kid A  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:24:01pm

DENALI!!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:24:51pm

re: #125 Kid A

DENALI!!!!

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Because ‘Suburban’ no longer sounds cool.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:25:41pm

re: #125 Kid A

DENIAL!!!!

It’s not just a mountain in Alaska.

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allegro  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:27:02pm

Now that he knows what the word Denali means I bet Trump renames his pecker.

129
Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:27:09pm

IT WAS JUST OBAMA’S WAY OF SAYING: “I, LADEN!”

130
goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:27:31pm

re: #103 Blind Frog Belly White

Note for example how stupid any number of DF’s posts now seem to you, yet they are right down the OLD Conservative line.

His comment from this morning that we shouldn’t give federal employees a cost of living pay increase, so as to entice them to quit was really fucked up. It amazes me how willing so many lizards are to put up with that shit, and who think he’s a good guy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:28:39pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Китай взрыв 31-08-15 Dongying

ETA: most probably old video.

132
Belafon  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:31:35pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

When someone suggested to the Chinese that they should do everything better than the US, they probably should have said, “Well, not everything….”

133
Unabogie  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:31:41pm

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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:31:49pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

That video is eerily like some of the footage from the Taijin explosion - especially those closest.

I fear for anyone close to that explosion, and the only saving grace appears to be that it is yet another nighttime explosion, for if it occurred during the day, an industrial area would be crawling with workers.

135
William Lewis  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:32:37pm

OT: The Mini Vmac Mac Plus emulator with 4mb of RAM runs fine, probably faster than the original, on my Android phone. Terribly funny to be running MS Word 5.1 on a phone…

That’s all.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:33:14pm

re: #117 Kragar

“Send your generous donation today for Planned Parenthood: The Movie.”

137
Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:33:36pm

The only thing that has changed in the Wingnutlandia is the density of insanity, not its quality. If you doubt me, go through the old MediaMatters items.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:33:49pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

His comment from this morning that we shouldn’t give federal employees a cost of living pay increase, so as to entice them to quit was really fucked up. It amazes me how willing so many lizards are to put up with that shit, and who think he’s a good guy.

It’s the kind of unthinking stupidity that old style Conservatism abounds in - the denial that there are some things that Society needs done that the Private Sector simply won’t do, or won’t do well, and that we as a Society have Government do. Similarly, there are lots of things that Government won’t do well which the Private Sector does.

I’d also note that many Conservatives who cherish the ‘Private Sector can do anything better!’ nonsense presume that Liberals think the opposite of that, that ‘Government can do anything better’, which really just sums up how stupid Conservatism is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:37:41pm

re: #133 Unabogie

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Hey, those places that banned or severely restricted guns - how much gun violence do they have now?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:37:41pm

re: #134 lawhawk

That video is eerily like some of the footage from the Taijin explosion - especially those closest.

I fear for anyone close to that explosion, and the only saving grace appears to be that it is yet another nighttime explosion, for if it occurred during the day, an industrial area would be crawling with workers.

just saw this:

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Unabogie  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:38:36pm

re: #137 Nyet

The only thing that has changed in the Wingnutlandia is the density of insanity, not its quality. If you doubt me, go through the old MediaMatters items.

Very true. Just go back to the things the right wing were saying back during the Bush years. It was standard fare to say that anyone not supporting Bush was objectively pro-terrorist.

My derpy neighbor once told me THAT DOESN’T SOUND PATRIOTIC TO ME. I JUST THINK WE ALL SHOULD COME TOGETHER AND SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT IN A TIME OF WAR…

You know, that’s not all that derpy, until you hear him call Obama that “Jew-hating communist dictator”.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:40:18pm

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:40:34pm

re: #141 Unabogie

Buchanan delivered the fucking GOP keynote address in 1992. In no way or form was GOP saner back then.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:41:57pm

Levin as Cthulhu? Nah, max. a shoggoth.

145
jaunte  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:42:31pm

re: #144 Nyet

Possibly a banshee.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:42:33pm

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Unabogie  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:43:05pm

re: #143 Nyet

Buchanan delivered the fucking GOP keynote address in 1992. In no way or form was GOP saner back then.

Or, see anything Rush Limbaugh ever said. We’re kind of used to the fact that he called feminists “Nazis”, but it’s still just as horrible today.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:44:15pm

re: #145 jaunte

Well, judging by the voice…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:45:44pm

re: #147 Unabogie

I’d say the difference is that the GOP was embarrassed by Buchanan back then, whereas today he’d be too mild, too “GOP Establishment” for them.

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:46:40pm

You knew this was inevitable:

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Unabogie  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:46:43pm

re: #149 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d say the difference is that the GOP was embarrassed by Buchanan back then, whereas today he’d be too mild, too “GOP Establishment” for them.

Yikes, you’re right.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:47:32pm

I bought myself a solar filter for my telescope. I took this about a week ago putting my cell phone up against the eyepiece. The edges of the sun are darker than they should be (because a cell phone is not meant to be used to take pictures like this), but the sunspots are what we saw. I have not rotated the image to correct for the telescope.

Sunspots
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Kragar  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:47:37pm

re: #144 Nyet

Perhaps a Child of Yog-Sothoth.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:48:02pm

re: #149 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d say the difference is that the GOP was embarrassed by Buchanan back then, whereas today he’d be too mild, too “GOP Establishment” for them.

One time out of a thousand, Buchanan will say something reasonable. Can’t have that. BURN IT WITH FIRE!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:49:55pm

re: #154 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

One time out of a thousand, Buchanan will say something reasonable, Can’t have that. BURN IT WITH FIRE!!!

I still wonder who at NBC Buchanan had enough dirt on, that he could be invited back again and again, and treated with undeserved respect.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:49:56pm

re: #149 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d say the difference is that the GOP was embarrassed by Buchanan back then, whereas today he’d be too mild, too “GOP Establishment” for them.

The ovation his speech received at the convention seems to indicate otherwise.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:54:11pm

re: #156 Nyet

To me, it boils down to this - they nominated GHWB, in 1988 and 1992, and Bob Dole in 1996.

Reagan’s rhetoric was extreme for the time, but he governed much more moderately. But even Reagan’s rhetoric would put him to the left of this year’s field.

The crazy was there, but it was more limited, and it was harnessed. Now, it has taken over.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:55:58pm

re: #157 Blind Frog Belly White

Is this moderate?

Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?

Bush: I guess I’m pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

Bush: No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I’m just not very high on atheists.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:56:16pm

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

I still wonder who at NBC Buchanan had enough dirt on, that he could be invited back again and again, and treated with undeserved respect.

Well, they’ve got to have a lineup of solid wingnuts, and I don’t think they realize that he’s not wingnutty enough any more. At least he can speak English, people can understand what he’s saying, it’s not like some of these lunatics who are practically Speaking in Tongues™ any more. NBC probably still think of themselves as being on the fringes of the communication business and see that as an advantage rather than a disadvantage.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:56:17pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 12:56:37pm

Here’s a 2012 take on the speech and the changes in the intervening 20 years. I’d note that even 2012 was mild by comparison with today in the GOP.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:00:23pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

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snip

wow…

*blinking* Damn, he sounds exactly like the radical Islamist/jihadi preachers.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:01:14pm

re: #161 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s a 2012 take on the speech and the changes in the intervening 20 years. I’d note that even 2012 was mild by comparison with today in the GOP.

Agreed that it’s “mild in comparison”, and that still doesn’t change the fact that the GOP has been unhinged for decades.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:02:01pm

re: #158 Nyet

Is this moderate?

First, the quote is apocryphal. Nobody else besides Sherman ever claimed to have heard that, and no other quotes from GHWB are anything like as extreme as that. Also, no audiotaped version, just the notes of a reporter from The American Atheist Press.

That’s why I stopped using that quote - because I can’t confirm it.

Second, if you look at how GHWB governed, and don’t think he’s moderate, esp WRT the crowd we have today, I can’t help you.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:03:32pm

re: #163 Nyet

Agreed that it’s “mild in comparison”, and that still doesn’t change the fact that the GOP has been unhinged for decades.

I don’t think we’re really saying anything different, unless you’re going to claim that the GOP has always been as extreme as it is now, which is nonsense.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:03:35pm

re: #150 Lidane

You knew this was inevitable:

Also because Obama is a gay Muslim.

//

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A Mom Anon  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:04:26pm

re: #109 ObserverArt

That was AWESOME. As a fellow Ohioan (born in Lancaster, raised in Columbus) I salute you! (While ROTFLAMO)

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:08:50pm

re: #150 Lidane

Bryan Fischer says it’s obvious that Obama changed the name of Mt. McKinley b/c he hates white Republican Americans:

denali isnt just a mountain in alaska

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:10:03pm

re: #164 Blind Frog Belly White

First, the quote is apocryphal.

It’s not “apocryphal”, it has been reported by Sherman and it’s not different from any other quote a journalist may report without having an audio record.

While you may doubt Sherman’s say-so, there’s a correspondence [pdf] with the WH in which atheists push the issue and not once does the WH deny the quote.

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b.d.  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:13:02pm
Bummer dude
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:14:41pm

major butthurt:

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freetoken  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:15:48pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

This McKinley thing might, just might, push the Christmas tree ornament outrage off the top of the list.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:17:38pm

re: #165 Blind Frog Belly White

I don’t think we’re really saying anything different, unless you’re going to claim that the GOP has always been as extreme as it is now, which is nonsense.

I have already written above the exact way I see it. It’s only the issue of quantity, not quality.

Moreover, since the “national average” has changed/moved to the left on many social issues, I would certainly expect some of the old GOP positions to be at least as insane, if not more so, than those of today. The simple truth is that bigotry was more acceptable earlier.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:20:56pm

In Defense of Internment wasn’t written recently, and I would expect it would cause more outrage today than it did 10 years ago.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:21:50pm

It has a lot to do with distrust of people. Chris, I have been in lots of societies, we could say like Japan, where they have a homogeneous society, where people are more alike. We have this thought process that we have to have diversity in America. We all have to be ethnically, completely apart, but respect each other. And the bottom line is that we should, and we need to work for that, but we have a group of people that are in our country that we’re afraid of, that have created chaos and confusion, and now our country is confused, and we need to carefully work back towards trusting each other and being together.

- Pete Sessions

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freetoken  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:22:08pm

re: #173 Nyet

I’m not sure I would say that American society has moved “to the left” so much as it has become more libertine. There is less concern about personal mores than during our more Victorian or Puritanical eras.

But I doubt there is underlying worldview beneath this that includes acceptance about more complex social issues that we work out in our legislative and law enforcing processes.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:23:35pm

re: #170 b.d.

A tat that big always looks really groovy when you get into your late sixties.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:25:09pm

re: #176 freetoken

OK, just to be sure, I agree, but neither did I claim that the American society moved to the left. What I wrote was a different claim.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:25:24pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

major butthurt:

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I called it.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:25:29pm

re: #175 Kragar

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- Pete Sessions

And the bottom line is that we should, and we need to work for that, but we have a group of people that are in our country that we’re afraid of, that have created chaos and confusion […]

Indeed. It’s called the GOP.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:27:39pm

re: #66 Kragar

How long before he just cuts it down to “BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!”?

Who have you killed for Khorne today?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:28:44pm

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Amory Blaine  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:28:51pm

I agree with Sergey. The only thing different I see is the language discipline they have mastered over the decades has disintegrated.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:29:15pm

We can argue about the percentages of guys like Jesse Helms and Trent Lott in today’s GOP, but it would be absurd to claim that they’re less extreme than today’s GOP.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:29:44pm

re: #181 Aunty Entity Dragon

Who have you killed for Khorne today?

Skull Thrones don’t just build themselves

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allegro  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:31:14pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Brains!!

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Amory Blaine  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:31:38pm

JBS staunchly conservative and mainstream until 60s.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:32:48pm

re: #183 Amory Blaine

I agree with Sergey. The only thing different I see is the language discipline they have mastered over the decades has disintegrated.

Ditto. The first thing that comes to mind is the Southern strategy, which goes back at least 50 years.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:33:42pm

re: #187 Amory Blaine

JBS staunchly conservative and mainstream until 60s.

Then the Southern Strategy, which is explicitly and deviously racist.

The Lee Atwater revelations show that racism was at the core of the GOP already since then.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:34:03pm

American conservatives are nasty fucks.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:35:26pm

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:35:30pm

re: #190 Amory Blaine

American conservatives are nasty fucks.

and proud of it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:37:24pm

re: #184 Nyet

We can argue about the percentages of guys like Jesse Helms and Trent Lott in today’s GOP, but it would be absurd to claim that they’re less extreme than today’s GOP.

I’m sorry, Sergey, but what’s your point? You appear to be arguing against something nobody said.

We ALL KNOW that there have been crazies in the GOP for a long time. Birchers, Dixiecrats who switched after the VRA and CRA, etc. Those people used to be a smaller percentage, because there used to be people in the party like Lowell Weicker and other Northeastern ‘Liberal’ Republicans. Republicans used to nominate people they now excoriate as RINOs. These people have been driven out of the party, primaried for insufficient ideological purity, etc. That alone has increased the percentage of crazy, by decreasing the percentage of sane.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:37:42pm

re: #103 Blind Frog Belly White

It started before AM hate radio and the internet. It started with direct mail.

Richard Viguerie figured out that there was no Fairness Doctrine with direct mail nor any sort of editorial control as with TV and newspapers. So he sent out all kinds of crazy shit to people who were prepared to believe it.

This wholesale takeover of The American Right started in the 70s. It’s now come to fruition.

It was outlined nicely in this book; Holy Terror.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:38:30pm

Testing something.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:39:28pm

re: #188 CuriousLurker

Ditto. The first thing that comes to mind is the Southern strategy, which goes back at least 50 years.

The point of the Southern Strategy was to bring in people who WEREN’T Republicans. Then they took over and threw out the Weickers, Javitses, Dirksens, and Lindsays.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:40:20pm

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Amory Blaine  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:40:35pm

The RWNJ are doing something right, they almost have complete control.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:40:56pm

“Willie Horton” campaign strategy was explicitly racist too. Arguably more explicit than what we would see from most GOP candidates, except Trump with his “rapist” comments.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:41:29pm

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:42:59pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

Imagine if Keith Ellison said that about Republocsns in front of a group of Muslim supporters.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:43:09pm

Sorry about the duplicates. Gotta test another Unicode glitch.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:43:12pm

re: #175 Kragar

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but we have a group of people that are in our country that we’re afraid of, that have created chaos and confusion, and now our country is confused,

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But enough about the GOP.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:44:11pm

re: #180 CuriousLurker

Indeed. It’s called the GOP.

GMTA

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:47:05pm

One more time.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:47:09pm

re: #187 Amory Blaine

JBS staunchly conservative and mainstream until 60s.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. Robert Welch, Jr. founded the JBS following is early political actvism, which doesn’t strike me as mainstream:

Robert W. Welch, Jr. > Early political activism

From his teenage years, Welch had been an opponent of communism. He was a strong believer in various conspiracies in which he believed a wide range of individuals and organizations were part of an international communist plot. In his own words,[citation needed] the American people consisted of four groups: “Communists, communist dupes or sympathizers, the uninformed who have yet to be awakened to the communist danger, and the ignorant.”

Welch joined the Republican Party and then ran and lost an election in 1950 for the post of Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts. In 1952, he supported Robert A. Taft’s unsuccessful bid for the Republican presidential nomination and was a prominent campaign contributor to Wisconsin Senator Joseph McCarthy’s re-election campaign. […]

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Amory Blaine  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:47:56pm

RWNJ were/are calling Clinton a murderer since the 90s.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:48:57pm

re: #199 Nyet

“Willie Horton” campaign strategy was explicitly racist too. Arguably more explicit than what we would see from most GOP candidates, except Trump with his “rapist” comments.

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RadicalModerate  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:49:28pm

re: #16 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

And in other news Rep. Pete Sessions thinks that America’s gun violence is because of our diversity.

*headdesk*

Nice to know that Texas has a sitting Congressman who is taking his talking points directly from Stormfront. I fully expect to hear him spouting off “white genocide” crap at any time now.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:50:14pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:50:21pm

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:50:53pm

re: #193 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m sorry, Sergey, but what’s your point? You appear to be arguing against something nobody said.

We ALL KNOW that there have been crazies in the GOP for a long time. Birchers, Dixiecrats who switched after the VRA and CRA, etc. Those people used to be a smaller percentage, because there used to be people in the party like Lowell Weicker and other Northeastern ‘Liberal’ Republicans. Republicans used to nominate people they now excoriate as RINOs. These people have been driven out of the party, primaried for insufficient ideological purity, etc. That alone has increased the percentage of crazy, by decreasing the percentage of sane.

I suppose it’s more of a nuance disagreement, depending on what you mean.

I’m disagreeing with your remark that they were just a bunch of isolated crazies. The craziness (and racism) was always there, at the top, as an integral part. You can argue that there was less of it, but those weren’t some isolated outliers. The GOP was crazy, as a party. You can argue that it is more crazy now, good, but that’s about it.

As for RINOs, Karl Rove is excoriated as a RINO, but in no way is he reasonable or sane. Buckley would have been considered a RINO now, but that doesn’t make that apologist of Franco and Pinochet any less insane.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:53:41pm

Conservatives have never gotten over Watergate either.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:54:58pm

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:55:52pm

There’s a “don’t talk about it openly” wing of the GOP (the Lee Atwater wing, if you will), and “fuck it, we’re doing it live” wing (Tea Party, Trump, Bachmann, etc.). Both wings are crazy. The second wing is more visible right now.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:56:43pm

re: #196 Blind Frog Belly White

The point of the Southern Strategy was to bring in people who WEREN’T Republicans. Then they took over and threw out the Weickers, Javitses, Dirksens, and Lindsays.

They might not have been registered Republicans, but they were without a doubt conservatives. The GOP was once fairly liberal, the party of Lincoln, but that ended long ago when they traded places with racist, southern Democrats.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:58:00pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:58:56pm

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 1:59:04pm

re: #196 Blind Frog Belly White

The point of the Southern Strategy was to bring in people who WEREN’T Republicans. Then they took over and threw out the Weickers, Javitses, Dirksens, and Lindsays.

Well, yes, that’s why we’re talking about the recent decades, not the whole GOP history. The point is, while there is more screaming right now, maybe more screaming that in 2012 as someone pointed out, the rotten core of the GOP is the same.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:00:04pm

re: #212 Nyet

I suppose it’s more of a nuance disagreement, depending on what you mean.

I’m disagreeing with your remark that they were just a bunch of isolated crazies. The craziness (and racism) was always there, at the top, as an integral part. You can argue that there was less of it, but those weren’t some isolated outliers. The GOP was crazy, as a party. You can argue that it is more crazy now, good, but that’s about it.

As for RINOs, Karl Rove is excoriated as a RINO, but in no way is he reasonable or sane. Buckley would have been considered a RINO now, but that doesn’t make that apologist of Franco and Pinochet any less insane.

I think what happened at that time in American politics was some of the GOP candidates used racist whistles like Willie Horton but did not see themselves as racist. In other words they felt they were doing what they had to do to attract the racist vote. It was a necessary tool to election.

It worked.

But it also worked too well and attracted the racist so we started to see actual racists winning GOP elected positions.

Now they are a racists party and it is no longer a tool. It is a political philosophy.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:00:16pm

Ah. Got it. I’ll stop posting that tweet over and over now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:00:54pm

re: #212 Nyet

I suppose it’s more of a nuance disagreement, depending on what you mean.

I’m disagreeing with your remark that they were just a bunch of isolated crazies. The craziness (and racism) was always there, at the top, as an integral part. You can argue that there was less of it, but those weren’t some isolated outliers. The GOP was crazy, as a party. You can argue that it is more crazy now, good, but that’s about it.

As for RINOs, Karl Rove is excoriated as a RINO, but in no way is he reasonable or sane. Buckley would have been considered a RINO now, but that doesn’t make that apologist of Franco and Pinochet any less insane.

Ah, I see where your misperception lies.

What I mean by ‘isolated’ refers to the individuals who now comprise the Tea Party and have largely taken over the GOP. When I say “Isolated” what I’m referring to is the phenomenon many people talk about, their ‘crazy racist uncle’ who rants away on Facebook. Prior to the rise of AM Hate radio, a lot of these people felt like nobody else agreed with them. Then they heard Rush, and it was a revelation. One wingnut described it as such, and said, “I was amazed! Here was somebody who was saying the same things I was thinking!”

The fact that they could now easily find validation for their views made them more willing to express them, and when the internet exploded onto the scene, they could start talking to each other. Now, not only do they get their crazy validated, they are encouraged to come up with even crazier shit, because as we’ve seen, there’s nothing too crazy for at least some RWNJs to believe.

Note also the number of people who say their parents used to be reasonable, politically, but now they watch Fox News all day and have started believing crazy things they never did before. Again, without the presence of Fox News, AM Hate Radio, and the Internet, a lot of those folks would not have had their crazy encouraged.

So, sure, crazy has always been part of the Right. It’s that now, there’s a lot more infrastructure to validate and reward crazy ideas that didn’t previously exist, and that has exacerbated the problem - more people are crazier than they used to be.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:02:49pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:03:07pm

re: #224 wrenchwench

Prettiest catfish I’ve ever seen.

:D

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:04:34pm

re: #216 CuriousLurker

They might not have been registered Republicans, but they were without a doubt conservatives. The GOP was once fairly liberal, the party of Lincoln, but that ended long ago when they traded places with racist, southern Democrats.

Right. They moved from a party that increasingly found them to be an embarrassment to a party that welcomed them, with all the right buzzwords - “Law And Order”, “Silent Majority”, “Liberal Media Bias”, “Urban”, etc.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:05:42pm

re: #223 Blind Frog Belly White

Gotcha.

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#CampaignZero  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:06:26pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:07:43pm

re: #221 ObserverArt

It’s an interesting thesis. I’m not sure though that it could be shown that people who are willing to use such tactics are not racists. I mean, if you don’t care about the influence of this deliberately poisonous rhetoric on the people of color, it would by itself indicate racism to me…

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:09:33pm

I mean it’s not even “let’s pretend to be racists, take the power and abolish racism!”. It’s “let’s pretend to be racist and take the power, hahaha!”.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:09:34pm

re: #226 Blind Frog Belly White

Right. They moved from a party that increasingly found them to be an embarrassment to a party that welcomed them, with all the right buzzwords - “Law And Order”, “Silent Majority”, “Liberal Media Bias”, “Urban”, etc.

Willie was not a buzzword. That was a huge sledge hammer. And all the little rat racists heard it and followed the GOP.

When America elected an African Kenyan American as president moderate Republicans were no longer needed. They wanted stronger Superior White candidates so they could get to taking back their country.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:11:18pm

re: #227 Nyet

BTW, I have seen some wingnuts saying of Trump, “He says what I’ve been thinking!”, just like they said about Rush. That’s why they are happy to overlook things like multiple divorce and adultery, blatant lying about how much he loves the Bible, that creepy “hugging the flag” image, etc. Because he’s saying what they’re thinking.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:13:19pm

re: #229 Nyet

It’s an interesting thesis. I’m not sure though that it could be shown that people who are willing to use such tactics are not racists. I mean, if you don’t care about the influence of this deliberately poisonous rhetoric on the people of color, it would by itself indicate racism to me…

I’d say before the GOP establishment was “racism curious,” now it’s more overt. Before it was a cynical effort to boost the white vote while still nominally pretending to care about minority rights and equality under the law. People like Buchanan, Thurmond, etc were tolerated before but mostly relegated to the fringes. The rise of Trump signals an end to whatever degree of clever (and yes, arguably meaningless) nuance existed before.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:14:24pm

re: #229 Nyet

It’s an interesting thesis. I’m not sure though that it could be shown that people who are willing to use such tactics are not racists. I mean, if you don’t care about the influence of this deliberately poisonous rhetoric on the people of color, it would by itself indicate racism to me…

Well…Poppy Bush was the Willie Horton user. I don’t know Bush Sr., but he never came off as a total racist. I do think he was like a lot of politicians in that he wanted to do whatever it takes.

I certainly see your point. A man of integrity would never use a racist dog whistle if he wasn’t himself a racist. But in hunger for power many a politician has done whatever it took to get elected. Integrity be damned.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:14:47pm

re: #221 ObserverArt

I think what happened at that time in American politics was some of the GOP candidates used racist whistles like Willie Horton but did not see themselves as racist. In other words they felt they were doing what they had to do to attract the racist vote. It was a necessary tool to election.

It worked.

But it also worked too well and attracted the racist so we started to see actual racists winning GOP elected positions.

Now they are a racists party and it is no longer a tool. It is a political philosophy.

I’m going to nitpick here: Whether or not they saw themselves as racist is beside the point, IMO. Let me demonstrate with a thought experiment:

I think what happened at that time in American Middle Eastern politics was some of the GOP conservative candidates used racist antisemitic [dog] whistles like Willie Horton [insert antisemitic canard] but did not see themselves as racist antisemitic [just anti-Zionist]. In other words they felt they were doing what they had to do to attract the racist radical Islamist vote. It was a necessary tool to [win the] election.

Yeah, that’s NOT working for me. If it walks like a duck…

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:18:50pm

re: #230 Nyet

I mean it’s not even “let’s pretend to be racists, take the power and abolish racism!”. It’s “let’s pretend to be racist and take the power, hahaha!”.

This I agree with. And that lasted right up to both 9/11 when it was fine to be hating on M.E. people and Muslims. Add in Obama and it was just too much. Everyone that isn’t a God fearing Supreme White is open to be hated on.

At no time did the GOP want to abolish their voting block(heads).

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:18:52pm

re: #234 ObserverArt

I think I get what you’re trying to say. To me the distinction is between various representations of the same ideas. So some will look less racist and more intellectual, some will look more racist and vulgar, but scratch them, and…

Sort of like the difference between the writings of Julius Streicher and Kevin McDonald, to use a slightly obscure analogy…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:18:58pm

re: #233 goddamnedfrank

I’d say before the GOP establishment was “racism curious,” now it’s more overt. Before it was a cynical effort to boost the white vote while still nominally pretending to care about minority rights and equality under the law. People like Buchanan, Thurmond, etc were tolerated before but mostly relegated to the fringes. The rise of Trump signals and end to whatever degree of clever (and yes, arguably meaningless) nuance existed before.

They’ve become the overtly the guardians of white privilege. With Obama’s win in 2008, winning every group but white men, it became clear that white people could not continue to run the country as we pleased, if voting was done fairly. So, now they seek to undo the VRA, to limit the franchise to the groups most likely to vote Republican, and to pander to white fears of becoming a minority in a country where the other minorities might remember just how badly we treated them.

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RadicalModerate  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:19:34pm

re: #215 Nyet

There’s a “don’t talk about it openly” wing of the GOP (the Lee Atwater wing, if you will), and “fuck it, we’re doing it live” wing (Tea Party, Trump, Bachmann, etc.). Both wings are crazy. The second wing is more visible right now.

I disagree with this assessment somewhat. A whole lot of people who were in the first group in the 1990s are the same people in the second group today. They didn’t let their inner bigot venture into the open because of backlash from events like the Oklahoma City and Centennial Park (1996 Olympic) bombings. Back then, people like David Duke were political kryptonite. The John Birch Society wasn’t even a blip on the political radar. Pat Buchanan got barely 5% in Republican primaries, and his speech at the 1992 Republican convention is widely considered as one of the reasons that Bill Clinton was elected President.

Fast forward to today - Major political candidates are openly courting the same factions who were out of vogue back then, and Donald Trump’s “Buchanan 2.0” campaign has made him into the frontrunner, even ahead of certifiable lunatics like Huckabee and Cruz. The same David Duke who was so forcefully shunned back then is now considered a serious contributor to the political right. The John Birch Society is a regular member of CPAC.

A faction of a political party doesn’t go from less than 10% to over 40% unless a majority of the people who originally were in your first group moved to the second one.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:23:08pm

re: #232 Blind Frog Belly White

BTW, I have seen some wingnuts saying of Trump, “He says what I’ve been thinking!”, just like they said about Rush. That’s why they are happy to overlook things like multiple divorce and adultery, blatant lying about how much he loves the Bible, that creepy “hugging the flag” image, etc. Because he’s saying what they’re thinking.

First this is largely an admission that what they’ve been thinking amounts to open bigotry, ignorant sexism and racism.

Ignoring the above, the total absence of a bullshit filter is amazing. When somebody who has flip flopped as egregiously and often as Trump is telling you what “you’ve been thinking,” the logical person wonders if he’s just telling them what they want to hear. Only a fucking barely functioning idiot takes that at face value, assumes it to be in any way genuine, and thinks they aren’t being played. A man’s got to know his limitations, and recognizing one’s own cognitive biases is part of that.

The “genius” of Trump’s strategy is that he’s managed to tune in to the intoxicated id of America’s least self aware demographic, and is milking it in a sociopathic bid for power. These are people literally too stupid to understand, or indeed even care that they’re being blatantly lied to.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:23:22pm

re: #235 CuriousLurker

I’m going to nitpick here: Whether or not they saw themselves as racist is beside the point, IMO. Let me demonstrate with a thought experiment:

Yeah, that’s NOT working for me. If it walks like a duck…

You see them as racist. I see them as racist. They didn’t see themselves as racist. That is the only point I was making. They could live with it…probably thinking they were still doing good work, but could only do so when elected.

Do you see Daddy Bush (Herbert Walker) as a pure racist or a politician?

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:24:22pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:26:10pm

re: #240 goddamnedfrank

First this is largely an admission that what they’ve been thinking amounts to open bigotry, ignorant sexism and racism.

Ignoring the above, the total absence of a bullshit filter is amazing. When somebody who has flip flopped as egregiously and often as Trump is telling you what “you’ve been thinking,” the logical person wonders if he’s just telling them what they want to hear. Only a fucking barely functioning idiot takes that at face value, assumes it to be in any way genuine, and thinks they aren’t being played. A man’s got to know his limitations, and recognizing one’s own cognitive biases is part of that.

The “genius” of Trump’s strategy is that he’s managed to tune in to the intoxicated id of America’s least self aware demographic, and is milking it in a sociopathic bid for power. These are people literally too stupid to understand, or indeed even care that they’re being blatantly lied to.

Con artists find it easier to con people who think they deserve something for nothing.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:28:52pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaahhhh

New Orleans sea wall has segments with more concrete than Hoover Dam & 8x steel of Eiffel Tower. We CAN build a wall at Southern border.

Ya take a nap, and people start being wrong on the Intertubes. The Eiffel Tower isn’t made of steel.

“The puddled iron (wrought iron) structure of the Eiffel Tower weighs 7,300 tonnes, while the entire structure, including non-metal components, is approximately 10,000 tonnes. As a demonstration of the economy of design, if the 7,300 tonnes of the metal structure were melted down it would fill the 125-metre-square base to a depth of only 6.25 cm (2.5 in), assuming the density of the metal to be 7.8 tonnes per cubic metre.”
—Wiki

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:31:53pm

re: #239 RadicalModerate

Well, it’s not really a contradiction, I’m not saying there was no movement between the groups.

Pat Buchanan’s speech was indicative of the internal GOP “temperature”, that it also contributed to Clinton’s win doesn’t tell us much about whether the GOP was crazy or not, it tells us something about the electorate in general.

True, by himself he didn’t do well in the primary, but then, can we use the fact that the last two times wishy-washy moderates McCain and Romney won the Republican primaries to say that the GOP is not crazy after all? IMHO, no.

That back then Duke was a pol. kryptonite is true, but it is all the more significant that Scalise freely called himself “Duke without all the baggage”, whereas today he had to run away from any Duke association. I certainly disagree that Duke is considered a serious contributor by anyone, he’s more shunned than ever (and there’s no way he’ll become a Republican Rep. again - whereas it was possible in the 1980s; which should also tell us something…).

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:38:32pm

re: #188 CuriousLurker

Ditto. The first thing that comes to mind is the Southern strategy, which goes back at least 50 years.

I would go further back, to the late 40s. The Republican liberals Landon, Wilkie, and Dewey had lost 4 presidential elections in a row to FDR and Truman. Wilkie in particular had been an outspoken proponent of civil rights. At the same time, the Dixiecrat split in 1948 showed that the Democrats’ tolerance for segregation and racism was wearing very thin and would probably come to an end very soon. Disappointed with results and sensing an opportunity, the always present conservative faction of the GOP began to grow.
The conservative faction was disappointed with Eisenhower, who turned out to be more liberal than anyone had expected. They knew that Ike would be gone in 1961, however, and his VP and sometime attack dog, Richard Nixon, seemed a good prospect for a swing to the right.
The pernicious doctrines of Ayn Rand had spread far and wide in conservative academic circles by that time, and that helped solidify the new movement and provide it with a level of ideological discipline worthy of a communist party. Texas billionaire H.L. Hunt played a leading role in promoting this nascent conservative movement. Among other things, Hunt wanted to abolish social security, a position that led Eisenhower to call him “stupid” in a private letter.
Hunt nurtured a number of rising stars including a particularly strident lawyer and ex-model named Phyllis Schlafly (who continues to blight our national existence to this day). This “New Right” and its opposition to civil rights first became well known during the 1960 GOP Convention. where Schlafly led a revolt of “moral conservatives” against nominee Richard Nixon’s stand in favor of integration and civil rights. Her best selling book A Choice, Not an Echo helped promote Goldwater’s candidacy in 1964, and the Democrats finally split completely from the segregationists. At that point, the GOP Southern Strategy, many years in the making, finally came into the open.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:40:57pm

re: #241 ObserverArt

You see them as racist. I see them as racist. They didn’t see themselves as racist. That is the only point I was making. They could live with it…probably thinking they were still doing good work, but could only do so when elected.

Do you see Daddy Bush (Herbert Walker) as a pure racist or a politician?

I get the first part and I agree, it’s the second (bolded) part I have a problem with. It strikes me as a bit Dark_Flacon-esque (sorry D_F, but it’s true).

I wouldn’t buy the “good intentions,” thing from a Muslim politician spouting radical Islamist/antisemitic garbage and I don’t buy it WRT to Daddy Bush. To me there’s not a huge difference, ethically speaking, between being a “pure racist” (a la David Duke) or just saying/doing racist things to win—both are morally bankrupt, IMO.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:42:59pm

re: #247 CuriousLurker

Some shit smells more, some less, but it’s still shit.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:44:35pm

re: #248 Nyet

Some shit smells more, some less, but it’s still shit.

Yes—much more succinct!

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Ojoe  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:47:59pm

I don’t suppose the mountain could have 2 names? Most people have three. At least Lemurians don’t live inside it, like at Mt. Shasta.

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Ojoe  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:50:18pm

Lemurians:

lemurianconnection.com

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:51:41pm

re: #250 Ojoe

I don’t suppose the mountain could have 2 names? Most people have three. At least Lemurians don’t live inside it, like at Mt. Shasta.

It’s been Denali and McKinley for decades. They’re cleaning things up now.

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Ojoe  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:55:15pm

“K2” has at least 4 names.
en.wikipedia.org

This politics is awful, why are we always fighting?

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:56:18pm

re: #253 Ojoe

“K2” has at least 4 names.
en.wikipedia.org

This politics is awful, why are we always fighting?

You tell me. I’m fine with Denali.

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Ojoe  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:56:50pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

It is a good thing the tower is iron not steel, because the iron is more resistant to corrosion.

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Ojoe  Aug 31, 2015 • 2:58:01pm

re: #254 wrenchwench

Other people are fine with the other name. Let it have 2 names. It is not like there is a shortage of ink.

How I hate politicians.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2015 • 3:01:37pm

re: #256 Ojoe

Other people are fine with the other name. Let it have 2 names. It is not like there is a shortage of ink.

How I hate politicians.

The people who live up there have spoken. The ones down here who don’t like it should sit and be quiet.

Politicians are the ones who stuck McKinley on it, AFAIK.

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Ojoe  Aug 31, 2015 • 3:02:06pm

The Eiffel tower weighs less than a cylinder of air of its base diameter and height:

wordpress.mrreid.org

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 3:06:12pm

re: #257 wrenchwench

Yeah, but long enough ago that it’s now Tradition!

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2015 • 3:07:36pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but long enough ago that it’s now Tradition!

And Heritage!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2015 • 3:07:40pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but long enough ago that it’s now Tradition!

heritage!!!!

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2015 • 3:09:11pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

heritage!!!!

We may have been influenced by the next thread. Hairitage!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2015 • 3:09:55pm

“Izzat YO Cultcha ‘n’ Her’tage? Thass not MAH Cultcha ‘n’ Her’tage!”

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2015 • 3:10:14pm

Heritage, not Hair!

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TedStriker  Aug 31, 2015 • 3:32:20pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

Ya take a nap, and people start being wrong on the Intertubes. The Eiffel Tower isn’t made of steel.

“The puddled iron (wrought iron) structure of the Eiffel Tower weighs 7,300 tonnes, while the entire structure, including non-metal components, is approximately 10,000 tonnes. As a demonstration of the economy of design, if the 7,300 tonnes of the metal structure were melted down it would fill the 125-metre-square base to a depth of only 6.25 cm (2.5 in), assuming the density of the metal to be 7.8 tonnes per cubic metre.”
—Wiki

Also, as grand as the Eiffel Tower is, it’s also mostly air.

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TedStriker  Aug 31, 2015 • 3:33:07pm

re: #258 Ojoe

The Eiffel tower weighs less than a cylinder of air of its base diameter and height:

wordpress.mrreid.org

Damn, son…where have you been ;-)

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Ojoe  Aug 31, 2015 • 4:02:09pm

re: #266 TedStriker

Very busy on the drafting board.

It would be cool to call Lake Superior Gichigami.

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Chez Ko Pe  Aug 31, 2015 • 8:16:06pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

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