A Little More Nightmare Fuel: Trump Will Inherit More Than 100 Judicial Vacancies

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This Washington Post headline is truly chilling: Trump to inherit more than 100 court vacancies, plans to reshape judiciary.

In addition to the open Supreme Court position, Trump is going to have an opportunity to appoint an appalling number of federal judges.

Confirmation of Obama’s judicial nominees slowed to a crawl after Republicans took control of the Senate in 2015. Obama White House officials blame Senate Republicans for what they characterize as an unprecedented level of obstruction in blocking the Democratic president’s court picks.

The result is a multitude of openings throughout the federal circuit and district courts that will allow the new Republican president to quickly make a wide array of lifetime appointments.

State gun control laws, abortion restrictions, voter laws, anti-discrimination measures and immigrant issues are all matters that are increasingly heard by federal judges and will be influenced by the new composition of the courts. Trump has vowed to choose ideologues in the mold of the late Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia, a conservative icon — a prospect that has activists on the right giddy.

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Russell Wheeler, an expert on judicial nominations at the Brookings Institution, said Trump has a great opportunity to change the partisan split in the federal courts. He predicted that by mid-2020, Republican appointees would hold about half of the 673 district judgeships, as opposed to the current 34 percent. And among the 179 circuit court judgeships, Democratic appointees now hold a slim majority, 51 percent, but that could fall to about 43 percent.

There is some hope that it might just be a disaster instead of an apocalyptic catastrophe, though.

But Wheeler warned that there are important limitations to Trump’s power. For one thing, many of the judges most likely to leave their appointments in the coming years were appointed by Republican presidents, meaning there will be fewer opportunities to shift the partisan makeup.

And perhaps more importantly, 28 of the 50 states will be represented by at least one Democratic senator, including large ones such as California, Florida and New York. Senate leaders have a tradition of considering nominees only if they are supported by both senators representing their state — and Democratic senators are expected to bargain hard with the Trump administration, just as Republican senators did with Obama’s.

We’re just beginning to appreciate the scope of what America has done to itself by electing this far right demagogue. It’s going to get worse.

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287 comments
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Joe Bacon  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:33:38pm

Now watch McConnell kill the blue slips so Trump can pack the courts.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:35:51pm

But EMAILS.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:36:49pm

re: #1 Joe Bacon

Of course. That’s what Preibus asked for in backing the uncouth one. To be honest I would like to see it backfire on the R’s.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:37:16pm

Yup.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:38:54pm
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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:39:09pm
And perhaps more importantly, 28 of the 50 states will be represented by at least one Democratic senator, including large ones such as California, Florida and New York. Senate leaders have a tradition of considering nominees only if they are supported by both senators representing their state…

They have a tradition? It’s like pulling teeth to get them to abide by actual laws, and you expect them to allow Democrats even an iota of power based on nothing but ” tradition”?

Is the media ever going to come to grips with what the Republican party has become?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:39:36pm

What can men do against such reckless hate stupidity?

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:42:47pm

I mean for fuck’s sake, it was a tradition that being elected Governor of North Carolina meant that you actually got to govern. How’s that working out these days?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:44:29pm
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sagehen  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:45:38pm

Fingers crossed… but remember that Sandra Day O’Connor, David Souter, Anthony Kennedy and Earl Warren all turned out to be significantly more liberal than the presidents who appointed them ever expected.

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wrenchwench  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:50:29pm
But Wheeler warned that there are important limitations to Trump’s power.

The one that means the most to me: I’m pretty sure he can’t appoint himself. Although that could be a less hazardous place to put him.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:51:37pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So Netanyahu’s temper tantrum has now turned into holding his breath until… what? Does he expect the U.N. to reverse itself? (The suspension of ties was at his request).

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:51:51pm

The response by the fake news industry against the epiphany of fake news is branding all news fake and belies the truth: they knew and know exactly what they are doing. They’re now attempting to Both Sides the narrative to continue their enterprise. Just like racists drag down all discussions of race by calling everybody and everything racist, the Fake News industry is dragging everything down with it so the real and fake are indiscernible and differences between the two are marginally different.

This is bad.

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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:52:13pm

Every time I see that photo I’m reminded of what it looks like to eat ones own dignity. And then later that night to realize everything you based your entire life on was a big fat lie. You are a coddled presumptuous fuck who hit the lottery when born. You could never starve or be homeless, no matter what life dealt you. Now you eat your world and your soul dies. (I hope. Yeah. I feel that mean about it. Fuck these snakes.) That zombie called Trump will fuck all. It’s not the end of the world. The world just reminded you how fucked up it actually is. Protect your loved ones and stand for right. What else is there?

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Timothy Watson  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:52:23pm

To paraphrase diarist George Templeton Strong: December 31, poor old 2016 just going. It has been a gloomy year of trouble and disaster. I should be glad to see its going were it not that 2017 is likely to be no better.

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:55:51pm

My only question: do these snake oil salesmen/women believe their own hype and message? My thinking is that most believe it somewhat but find they more outlandish and louder the stories the page hits increase and their income grows so they’re encouraged beyond their own feverish minds.

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Interesting Times  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:56:44pm

re: #11 wrenchwench

The one that means the most to me: I’m pretty sure he can’t appoint himself. Although that could be a less hazardous place to put him.

At this point, I’m thinking his own sister would be preferable to whoever else the Heritage Foundation has in mind.

Or Judge Judy. Hell, we have a reality TV star as president, so might as well go whole hog 9_9

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:57:09pm

re: #16 BigPapa

They do believe it. :(

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:57:44pm
We’re just beginning to appreciate the scope of what America has done to itself by electing this far right demagogue.

For those of us paying attention.

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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:58:32pm

re: #19 Belafon

For those of us paying attention.

I think you hit the nail squarely on the head.

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wrenchwench  Dec 26, 2016 • 12:58:42pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Julian Assange is usually thought of as a hacker, but it is as a strategic theorist that he stands as the first post modern revolutionary to have delivered a brutal body blow to the genocidal empire of the Antichrist.

Also, the first post modern strategic theorist to spend over two years in an embassy to maintain his freedom. Now that’s strategy!

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allegro  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:00:39pm

And right on time and topic, a friend just sent me this…

Obama Can and Should Put Merrick on Supreme Court

Based on everything we know about Obama’s temperament and politics, he won’t resort to this. But given how Republicans relentlessly obstructed his efforts for eight years, he would be completely justified in playing one final trump card. And there’s a cost to ignoring that card. The fact that Democrats prefer to maintain governance norms, even while Republicans break them time and again, inescapably pushes the policymaking apparatus of the country to the right.

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:01:03pm

re: #13 BigPapa

The response by the fake news industry against the epiphany of fake news is branding all news fake and belies the truth: they knew and know exactly what they are doing. They’re now attempting to Both Sides the narrative to continue their enterprise. Just like racists drag down all discussions of race by calling everybody and everything racist, the Fake News industry is dragging everything down with it so the real and fake are indiscernible and differences between the two are marginally different.

This is bad.

If Facebook and other places block fake news sites, it doesn’t matter if those sites scream that everyone is fake. The problem is that most readers aren’t inquisitive enough to determine if a source is legitimate. It will be up to the rest of us to point out any other fake news stories.

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:04:13pm

I used to believe that the good will 51% the bad’s 49% in a society where information is freely available and fast. I no longer believe that.

The idiots and assholes pushing the lower and lesser quality information are more motivated.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:05:15pm

re: #24 BigPapa

It is beginning to sound as though “name your sources” will become fighting words.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:07:18pm

All those parents telling their kids you can’t get what you want by throwing a tantrum?

The GOP is about to prove them totally wrong.

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jhncsy  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:09:15pm

How does this happen? I keep seeing stories of people who stayed home because they didn’t like Clinton. I see stories of people who voted for Trump because they didn’t like Clinton. And now look. It’s just… what was the point? People are going to die because Clinton didn’t “inspire” you or whatever?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:10:33pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bibi will regret doing that in time.

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Frankie Five Angels  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:10:57pm

Review of the restaurant where Romney sold this soul.

I tried the frog legs and started to lose my dignity and Mormonism, while my wife had the steak 3X well done and started to tweet uncontrollably while turning a very bright orange and the skin around her eyes started to turn white like a raccoon’s. She also tried to grab our waiter by his package. Would never recommend to a friend.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:11:34pm

re: #27 jhncsy

A lot of it has to do with fact Clinton does not have a penis.

Oh and of course there’s that whole Comey/Russia thing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:12:30pm

re: #27 jhncsy

How does this happen? I keep seeing stories of people who stayed home because they didn’t like Clinton. I see stories of people who voted for Trump because they didn’t like Clinton. And now look. It’s just… what was the point? People are going to die because Clinton didn’t “inspire” you or whatever?

A lot of them stayed home because of their pettiness over the primary. I admit it. I’m not a Sanders fan but if it came down to Bernie- who I think perhaps well meaning but overly naive versus Trump who I think dangerous and idiotic, I’d take Bernie easily. That’s the thing that the BoBers never want to concede. The Democratic Party if Bernie were the nominee would have gone to war for him in a way his diehards never wanted to for Clinton and because of that, we’re stuck with Trump.

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:12:36pm

re: #25 PhillyPretzel

It is beginning to sound as though “name your sources” will become fighting words.

It’s those little Facebook Thermopylae’s that will be the last stand against Bullshit Dystopia.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:13:07pm

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

A lot of it has to do with fact Clinton does not have a penis.

Oh and of course there’s that whole Comey/Russia thing.

There’s definitely sexism on the left that hurt Clinton.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:14:40pm

re: #12 CuriousLurker

So Netanyahu’s temper tantrum has now turned into holding his breath until… what? Does he expect the U.N. to reverse itself? (The suspension of ties was at his request).

I really wish Israelis would have voted him out. I’m glad we’ve had Israel as an ally but I don’t think much of Bibi at all. I think he’s childish and to be completely honest is uninterested in a lasting peace in the region. It really showed me a lot that he gave an award to Glenn Beck and showed him more respect than he ever has President Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:16:22pm

I do wonder though if any of the Evangelicals who love kissing Putin’s fat ass know that Putin’s Russia voted for the resolution too and Putin has a lot of genuinely antisemitic allies but oh wait, Putin’s Anti-Gay and portrays himself as a Christian warrior so he’s better than that damn Obama who dares to view LGBT people as equals and doesn’t terat the religious right like the special snowflakes they think they are.

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Moebym  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:17:41pm
We’re just beginning to appreciate the scope of what America has done to itself by electing this far right demagogue. It’s going to get worse.

I find myself, when my mind’s not preoccupied with some other thing, thinking about the momentousness of what happened on Nov. 8. The feeling of dread just keeps returning.

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jhncsy  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:19:13pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

You’re assuming that they care about Jewish people. As we’ve already seen (and it will get worse), they really, really don’t.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:19:48pm

re: #36 Moebym

I find myself, when my mind’s not preoccupied with some other thing, thinking about the momentousness of what happened on Nov. 8.

I’ve had people who are younger than me who don’t remember the Bush years telling me that Trump may turn out to be okay and we should hope for the best. I’d like to be optimistic but nothing I’ve seen from Trump at all since 11-8 has given me any reason to do so. We made a terrible mistake and it will take sometime to fix it. I just hope Trump’s fuck ups and no doubt he will have them are kept to a minimum and there’s a massive backlash against him and his party and the party who enable him.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:20:20pm

re: #37 jhncsy

You’re assuming that they care about Jewish people. As we’ve already seen (and it will get worse), they really, really don’t.

Good point.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:20:39pm

RWNJ opinion on Israel is divided between the anti-Zionist antisemites of the alt-right and the pro-Zionist antisemites of the religious right.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:20:52pm

And also of course the Christian right itself is Antisemitic itself and only uses Israel to fulfill their sick doomsday fantasies.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:21:52pm

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel

RWNJ opinion on Israel is divided between the anti-Zionist antisemites of the alt-right and the pro-Zionist antisemites of the religious right.

Both are awful in different ways. By the way though, Bannon claims to be Pro-Israel despite the pathetic Antisemitic screeds that pigfaced bastard posts on his Der Strummer wannabe website.

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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:21:56pm

re: #37 jhncsy

You’re assuming that they care about Jewish people. As we’ve already seen (and it will get worse), they really, really don’t.

They don’t even care about fellow Americans.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:22:50pm

re: #43 nines09

They don’t even care about fellow Americans.

These are the people who say the country needs to be more Christian yet are the first to bitch about food stamps, refugees, and welfare.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:25:31pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

These are the people who say the country needs to be more Christian yet are the first to bitch about food stamps, refugees, and welfare.

Fucking A.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:27:19pm

re: #24 BigPapa

The idiots and assholes pushing the lower and lesser quality information are more motivated.

Telling people what they want to hear is easier and more profitable than telling them what they need to hear.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:28:16pm

re: #46 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

Telling people what they want to hear is easier and more profitable than telling them what they need to hear.

…and easier and a lot cheaper. Just find out what is trending on Twitter and amplify it.

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jhncsy  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:28:20pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I grew up during the Bush administration. There were a whole lot of horrors that I never really grasped or paid attention to until it passed. Millions are dead and more are suffering because of Bush and America.

I miss it and I’d rather have Dubya back then this.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:28:38pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking A.

Of course, they always make the excuse “Well The Bible never said anything about government doing those things.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:29:25pm

re: #48 jhncsy

I grew up during the Bush administration. There were a whole lot of horrors that I never really grasped or paid attention to until it passed. Millions are dead and more are suffering because of Bush and America.

I miss it and I’d rather have Dubya back then this.

Yeah Trump is worse than Bush. I thought Bush was the worst the GOP could offer. Trump proved that we ain’t seen nothing yet.

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unproven innocence  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:31:35pm
Indeed, part of the nine-week program includes a rigorous reading guide that lists tomes by scholars widely considered to hold radical religious views—a reality openly acknowledged by the Alliance, which warns that:

Some materials may even contain assertions that may be construed (or misconstrued) to be unnecessarily sectarian, or even offensive to one’s particular theological or ecclesiastical tradition. No offense and certainly, no proselytizing, is intended. Rather, Alliance Defending Freedom seeks to recover the robust Christendomic theology of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th centuries.

So it’s looking like these people seriously consider the Age of Enlightenment, the Reformation, the Industrial Revolution, modern science, and practically every currently existing form of government to be woefully wrong. Silly me. I’d thought this essay wildly extremist when I came across it a few weeks ago. [edit] Now, it seems to be a mostly accurate assessment of the sorry state of our national politics, especially with respect to the so-called evangelicals:

The Calvinist Roots of American Anti-Intellectualism By EJ Spode
3ammagazine.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:32:04pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Of course, they always make the excuse “Well The Bible never said anything about government doing those things.”

But it does have that whole “render unto Caesar…” bit.

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:32:46pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Of course, they always make the excuse “Well The Bible never said anything about government doing those things.”

As long as you ignore a good chunk of the old Testament.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:32:51pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Both are awful in different ways. By the way though, Bannon claims to be Pro-Israel despite the pathetic Antisemitic screeds that pigfaced bastard posts on his Der Strummer wannabe website.

Lots of Anti Semites are “Pro Israel”. Gotta have somewhere to put all the Jews til a…decisive remedy for the issue can be devised.

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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:33:14pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

These are the people who say the country needs to be more Christian yet are the first to bitch about food stamps, refugees, and welfare.

They piss all over themselves and then judge you. If I told you the amount of people I know/knew on disability and Medicare who vote to open their own veins every chance they get…..Can’t happen to them. Oh, it’s the other guy. Yeah. Somebody somewhere is getting something for…nothing. Hey, that’s YOU! I think some people go to church so they can be forgiven so they can go fuck each other for the next six days. Rinse. Repeat.

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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:35:23pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:38:34pm
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:41:12pm

re: #57 gocart mozart

Very cool.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:43:33pm

re: #57 gocart mozart

I look at that and I see mushroom clouds. Even fungus inspires nothing but dread. Thanks Obama Trump.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:44:12pm

Just got up… Perils of nite shift.
I don’t know if anyone has posted this out but it’s right on the money

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:45:29pm

re: #57 gocart mozart

Still waiting for my first crop.
Come on Spring!

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:48:41pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

We made a terrible mistake and it will take sometime to fix it.

Who is this “we” of which you speak?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:49:46pm

re: #62 Resistance Is Not Futile

Who is this “we” of which you speak?

Touche. Honestly it just pisses me off that this thing was even close.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:50:44pm

re: #56 gocart mozart

Strange Animals @Strange_Animals
The extraordinary leaf-tailed gecko.

(Photo: Piotr Naskrecki)
8:45 AM - 26 Dec 2016
517 517 Retweets 1,068 1,068 likes

Almost need a video of it moving so you can tell what is gecko and what are the natural leaf parts on the branch.

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unproven innocence  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:52:47pm

re: #51 unproven innocence

A short excerpt from the essay I linked:

At the beginning of this essay, I promised to say something about Donald Trump. Throughout this election cycle, pundits and academics have marveled at the acceptance of Trump by some (if not all) conservative Christian leaders and their flocks, even while Catholics have wanted nothing to do with Trump. On the face of it, this acceptance by Evangelicals is a head-scratcher. Why would people that value piety and modesty and turning the other cheek and being kind and forgiving, etc. be in league with Trump of all people?

The answer, of course, is that they don’t support Trump because of his lack of piety or any other aspect of human character that they particularly value and which he inevitably lacks (modesty, kindness, forgiveness, you can name them all). Trump’s function is that he is their field general in their most important battle - the battle against the autonomous human reason.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:52:50pm

re: #57 gocart mozart

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Backwoods Sleuth and Mr. Sleuth plug spores into logs for ‘shrooms does she not? I seem to remember her posting about it here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:55:48pm

re: #66 ObserverArt

Backwoods Sleuth and Mr. Sleuth plug spores into logs for ‘shrooms does she not? I seem to remember her posting about it here.

yes we did! looking for pics now…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:57:02pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes we did! looking for pics now…

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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:57:51pm

re: #62 Resistance Is Not Futile

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Bernie Bots= “Bernie would have won! He was screwed by the DNC!”

Purity Test Snowflakes= “Clinton was flawed!”

GOP and Tea Bags and Morons everywhere= “LOCK THE BITCH UP! EMAILS!! BENGHAZI!!”

Those asleep at the wheel= “Well, they voted for him, and he is our President after all..”

Sane people=Fucking son of a fucking bitch…..

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:58:29pm

This is what I think of when I see that picture:

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jhncsy  Dec 26, 2016 • 1:59:00pm

re: #62 Resistance Is Not Futile

Me. I donated a little, but that was it. I assumed that America was starting to get better on its own even as I saw the Republican party get meaner and dumber. I stayed quiet when people around me said stupid, horrible things because I assumed we could outnumber and outlast them. I voted but I never volunteered.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:01:32pm

re: #71 jhncsy

Me. I donated a little, but that was it. I assumed that America was starting to get better on its own even as I saw the Republican party get meaner and dumber. I stayed quiet when people around me said stupid, horrible things because I assumed we could outnumber and outlast them. I voted but I never volunteered.

Go, then, and sin no more, my son (daugher?) — but you didn’t vote for him, or for a third part, or stay home, did you? THAT’s the mistake that will put him into office.

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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:03:44pm

The Trump inauguration theme song is out.

Assholes On Parade by Timbuk 3

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:05:48pm

re: #51 unproven innocence

That was a good read.

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:07:53pm

re: #71 jhncsy

Me. I donated a little, but that was it. I assumed that America was starting to get better on its own even as I saw the Republican party get meaner and dumber. I stayed quiet when people around me said stupid, horrible things because I assumed we could outnumber and outlast them. I voted but I never volunteered.

I’m in Texas, and while I donated and pushed all of my friends and family to vote, I don’t know enough people to have made the state blue.

Now, we have to move it up to the next level. Our job is to minimize the damage that Trump and Republicans will cause, and telling voters what Republicans are trying to do. That means working with others where we live.

Some may be wary of treating this like a war, and mobilizing, but this is what the Tea Party has done. We don’t need to use all of their tactics (death threats are a no-go), but organizing, showing up at our representatives offices and town halls, and running our own candidates, are things we have to do. We have to move beyond hoping everyone else will take care of it.

While we all think we could have done more, it’s time to move onto the things that we can do now. And we can’t do them as individuals. We have to get with those around us, some of whom have experience.

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jhncsy  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:09:46pm

re: #72 Resistance Is Not Futile

No, I vote every two years, and I vote for whomever is best suited to run the government- so, straight Democrat, basically.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:14:21pm

re: #12 CuriousLurker

Ya know Bibi. Here’s a suggestion. Don’t build anymore settlements.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:16:33pm

re: #77 GlutenFreeJesus

Ya know Bibi. Here’s a suggestion. Don’t build anymore settlements.

It really should tell Bibi that such a wide variety of nations voted for this resolution. It really sucks that he’s doubling down and making it worse. I respect the Israeli people but Bibi’s a jackass who in my opinion thinks Israel can do whatever it wants to without negative repercussions from the international community.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:16:58pm

re: #75 Belafon

I mentioned ALICE before, but here it is again — an organization that pursues Democratic issues on the state level. Being in California, I really don’t need to do much grassroots level work (which is why I don’t say anything about anyone else’s participation or the lack thereof — I am getting somewhat more active in local politics, but that’s liberals vs. liberals), but you might find it useful.

(I’m hoping to see something a Californian can do in between the elections to strengthen the Democrats where it’s needed, but nothing has turned up yet. Except giving money, of course.)

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:17:57pm

re: #77 GlutenFreeJesus

Ya know Bibi. Here’s a suggestion. Don’t build anymore settlements.

Hey, do you think, just maybe, building on land agreed to in a Palistinian two state solution might, just maybe kinda sorta might, be a bad idea?

W’HY DO YOU HATE ISRAEL YOU ANTI-SEMITE?’

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:20:25pm

re: #77 GlutenFreeJesus

Ya know Bibi. Here’s a suggestion. Don’t build anymore settlements.

Why do you hate the Jooz?

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freetoken  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:20:32pm

A striking characteristic of the Trump Epoch is how the New Believers (in Trumpism) are so intent on not being self-aware.

It’s a practiced form of self-delusion, an active choice of not looking into the philosophical, ethical, or historical mirrors.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:21:16pm

re: #80 BigPapa

re: #81 Blind Frog Belly White

This is what happens when I don’t read to the bottom of the thread before commenting.

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wrenchwench  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:23:32pm

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

This is what happens when I don’t read to the bottom of the thread before commenting.

40 lashes with one of those cat-removed lizard tails that won’t quit wiggling.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:24:11pm

re: #80 BigPapa

Hey, do you think, just maybe, building on land agreed to in a Palistinian two state solution might, just maybe kinda sorta might, be a bad idea?

W’HY DO YOU HATE ISRAEL YOU ANTI-SEMITE?’

It’s just foolish. I admit the issue is complicated but shouldn’t Bibi realize something’s up when nearly everyone is opposed to the settlements including its strongest ally, the US? Bibi is being very stupid by continue to support the settlements.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:25:07pm

I ran into a Free Marketeer on a friend’s FB thread today. He told me that true Free Market Capitalism hadn’t failed, because it had never been tried. Then when I pointed out that he sounded like the Communists, and that capitalism is a nice tool that needs to be used carefully to prevent it running amok, he said

Those who practice true free market capitalism recognize that it is not in their best interest to not exploit either the consumer, the producer, or the environment.

I told him I’d taken him seriously, till he said that. What a naif.

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:25:09pm

re: #79 Resistance Is Not Futile

I mentioned ALICE before, but here it is again — an organization that pursues Democratic issues on the state level. Being in California, I really don’t need to do much grassroots level work (which is why I don’t say anything about anyone else’s participation or the lack thereof — I am getting somewhat more active in local politics, but that’s liberals vs. liberals), but you might find it useful.

(I’m hoping to see something a Californian can do in between the elections to strengthen the Democrats where it’s needed, but nothing has turned up yet. Except giving money, of course.)

1. Have California buy a few midwestern states.
2. Move a million people to states that were close to the margin. This could be done by providing incentives to California companies to work from other states.

Beyond that, I envy the fact that you’re in a state that acts like a Democratic state and is showing the results.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:25:38pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

40 lashes with one of those cat-removed lizard tails that won’t quit wiggling.

Eeeewww!!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:26:26pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

I ran into a Free Marketeer on a friend’s FB thread today. He told me that true Free Market Capitalism hadn’t failed, because it had never been tried. Then when I pointed out that he sounded like the Communists, and that capitalism is a nice tool that needs to be used carefully to prevent it running amok, he said

I told him I’d taken him seriously, till he said that. What a naif.

It’s amazing how much free market capitalist purists have in common with Communist doctrinaires.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:28:09pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

It’s amazing how much free market capitalist purists have in common with Communist doctrinaires.

And with other religious zealots.

I told him that Communism and Free Market Capitalism are utopian dreams that fail as soon as someone figures out how to cheat.

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:28:31pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

I ran into a Free Marketeer on a friend’s FB thread today. He told me that true Free Market Capitalism hadn’t failed, because it had never been tried. Then when I pointed out that he sounded like the Communists, and that capitalism is a nice tool that needs to be used carefully to prevent it running amok, he said

I told him I’d taken him seriously, till he said that. What a naif.

If those kinds of people existed, we wouldn’t need laws in the first place. Everyone who has even remotely thought about how people act know that you cannot have a system without a regulatory system.

The simplest flaw in his free-market system is this: A restaurant that serves poison to all of its customers gets a bad customer review so that other people won’t go. It doesn’t help the people who were killed.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:31:27pm

re: #55 nines09

They piss all over themselves and then judge you. If I told you the amount of people I know/knew on disability and Medicare who vote to open their own veins every chance they get…..Can’t happen to them. Oh, it’s the other guy. Yeah. Somebody somewhere is getting something for…nothing. Hey, that’s YOU! I think some people go to church so they can be forgiven so they can go fuck each other for the next six days. Rinse. Repeat.

See also the annoying bumper sticker: Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven.

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:31:47pm

Trumpkins are shocked, shocked that GodEmporer is saying nice things about da Jooz:

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sagehen  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:33:06pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

I ran into a Free Marketeer on a friend’s FB thread today. He told me that true Free Market Capitalism hadn’t failed, because it had never been tried. Then when I pointed out that he sounded like the Communists, and that capitalism is a nice tool that needs to be used carefully to prevent it running amok, he said

I told him I’d taken him seriously, till he said that. What a naif.

Somalia.

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unproven innocence  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:33:17pm

re: #91 Belafon

And a restaurant that routinely poisoned its customers probably could avoid indefinitely the considerable expense of buying fresh meat. /

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:33:46pm

re: #93 BigPapa

Someone should tell the uncouth one that it is the 3rd night not the 8th night.

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:33:47pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

Libertarians shit over everything. Should be called MaTheMeatLoaf Party.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:33:48pm

Given that Trump’s footsoldiers are already using intimidation tactics toward members of Congress, how long before he tries to pass Enabling Laws to allow him to bypass Congress and the court system entirely?

Trump posse browbeats Hill Republicans

Lawmakers are loath to say anything remotely critical, fearful they might set off the president-elect or his horde of enforcers.

In early December, Rep. Bill Flores made what seemed like an obvious observation to a roomful of conservatives at a conference in Washington. Some of Donald Trump’s proposals, the Texas Republican cautioned, “are not going to line up very well with our conservative policies,” though he quickly added that there was plenty the incoming president and GOP Congress could accomplish together.

Little did Flores realize the hell that would soon rain down from Trump’s throng of enforcers.

Breitbart seized on Flores’ remarks a few days later, calling them proof that House Republicans planned to “isolate and block President Donald Trump’s populist campaign promises.” A conservative populist blogger for the site TruthFeed then warned Flores on Twitter to “get ready for a shit storm,” and posted a headline that read: “BREAKING: Rep. Bill Flores Has CRAFTED a PLAN to BLOCK Trump’s Immigration Reform.”

Sean Hannity jumped in, too, featuring the Breitbart post on his syndicated radio show. That only further riled the impromptu anti-Flores mob.

@RepBillFlores get in @realDonaldTrump way & we will burn your career down until you are reduced to selling life insurance,” tweeted one person. “@RepBillFlores you can go hang yourself!!” another wrote.

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:34:39pm

re: #96 PhillyPretzel

Yah I noticed all were lit and though ‘I don’t think all should be lit yet’ but I’m very very uncouth. And I like it that way.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:35:01pm

re: #98 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Bully politics.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:37:17pm

This fucking guy.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:38:42pm

re: #98 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Given that Trump’s footsoldiers are already using intimidation tactics toward members of Congress, how long before he tries to pass Enabling Laws to allow him to bypass Congress and the court system entirely?

Trump posse browbeats Hill Republicans

Don’t worry. He will get back in line like a good Communist , er Republican

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:39:46pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

I ran into a Free Marketeer on a friend’s FB thread today. He told me that true Free Market Capitalism hadn’t failed, because it had never been tried. Then when I pointed out that he sounded like the Communists, and that capitalism is a nice tool that needs to be used carefully to prevent it running amok, he said

I told him I’d taken him seriously, till he said that. What a naif.

Free market capitalism has been tried, it was the default condition throughout most of early human history. We just called it despotism. These people want their property rights to be respected on principle instead of their ability to physically enforce them but the only way to effectively do that is through the kinds of established regulatory legal environments they decry.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:43:21pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

Free market capitalism has been tried, it was the default condition throughout most of early human history. We just called it despotism. These people want their property rights to be respected on principle instead of their ability to physically enforce them but the only way to effectively do that is through the kinds of established regulatory legal environments they decry.

The Mongols made the Silk Roads safe for trade!

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freetoken  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:46:17pm

re: #98 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

The sycophants of the Lügenbaron and the good ol’ boy Republicans in Congress deserve each other.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:46:29pm

re: #87 Belafon

1. Have California buy a few midwestern states.
2. Move a million people to states that were close to the margin. This could be done by providing incentives to California companies to work from other states.

Beyond that, I envy the fact that you’re in a state that acts like a Democratic state and is showing the results.

I’ve had thoughts along those lines, but I’m thinking more about helping all the people disenfranchised by voter ID laws to get ID.

I like it here, too. Whenever they say “government can’t work,” and “high taxes drive away business,” mention our name. We exist to give them the lie, after all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:48:19pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

This fucking guy.

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yep

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wrenchwench  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:48:39pm

Science marches on. I hope. It’s at a California institution, so hopes are high.

[…]

“I am very enthusiastic about this strategy for treating neurodegenerative diseases,” said Finkbeiner, a senior investigator at Gladstone and senior author on the paper. “We’ve tested Nrf2 in models of Huntington’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, and ALS, and it is the most protective thing we’ve ever found. Based on the magnitude and the breadth of the effect, we really want to understand Nrf2 and its role in protein regulation better.”

The scientists say that Nrf2 itself may be difficult to target with a drug because it is involved in so many cellular processes, so they are now focusing on some of its downstream effects. They hope to identify other players in the protein regulation pathway that interact with Nrf2 to improve cell health and that may be easier to drug.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:48:57pm

re: #106 Resistance Is Not Futile

I’ve had thoughts along those lines, but I’m thinking more about helping all the people disenfranchised by voter ID laws to get ID.

I like it here, too. Whenever they say “government can’t work,” and “high taxes drive away business,” mention our name. We exist to give them the lie, after all.

Sorry, they’ll just tell you your facts are wrong, the state’s debt will bury us soon, and we can’t afford all the evil immigrants. They’ll drag out the number of companies that have left the state or gone out of business, paying no attention to the new companies. And so forth.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:49:24pm

re: #108 wrenchwench

That is good news.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:50:01pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:50:36pm

Nativist refugee haters count only the alleged cost (and vastly exaggerate even that) and never think of the benefits. Someone rescued from tyranny and starvation can become a very fine citizen. There are countless examples, including none other than Albert Einstein himself, run out of Europe by crazed Nazis who were purging “Jewish science.”
These Famous People Were Refugees (from 2015)
Besides those listed, there is Igor Sikorsky, Russian born aviation pioneer, inventor of the single rotor helicopter, and refugee from communism. What of Isaac Asimov, who came here from the newly minted USSR as a child? Or actor/director Andy Garcia, who was 5 when he and his family fled Castro’s Cuba?
The list could go on and on. Feel free to add others.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:50:58pm

re: #96 PhillyPretzel

Someone should tell the uncouth one that it is the 3rd night not the 8th night.

Exactly my first thought when I saw the tweet.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:52:30pm

re: #109 calochortus

Sorry, they’ll just tell you your facts are wrong, the state’s debt will bury us soon, and we can’t afford all the evil immigrants. They’ll drag out the number of companies that have left the state or gone out of business, paying no attention to the new companies. And so forth.

And all you’ll need to do is smile pityingly and shake your head. Until they scream themselves into apoplexy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:53:37pm

re: #96 PhillyPretzel

Someone should tell the uncouth one that it is the 3rd night not the 8th night.

He actually tweeted that on the FIRST night.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:54:05pm
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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:54:20pm

re: #112 Shiplord Kirel

Nativist refugee haters count only the alleged cost (and vastly exaggerate even that) and never think of the benefits. Someone rescued from tyranny and starvation can become a very fine citizen. There are countless examples, including none other than Albert Einstein himself, run out of Europe by crazed Nazis who were purging “Jewish science.”
These Famous People Were Refugees (from 2015)
Besides those listed, there is Igor Sikorsky, Russian born aviation pioneer, inventor of the single rotor helicopter, and refugee from communism. What of Isaac Asimov, who came here from the newly minted USSR as a child? Or actor/director Andy Garcia, who was 5 when he and his family fled Castro’s Cuba?
The list could go on and on. Feel free to add others.

They don’t even have to become famous. People who emigrate are often the exact kind of people we want here-hard working, ambitious, lots of get-up-and-go, since that is exactly what they did. If all they ever do is run the neighborhood grocery or do landscape maintenance they still contribute to the economy.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:54:43pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

OMG. Boy is he wrong. Didn’t his wife tell him that?

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:54:49pm

re: #109 calochortus

Sorry, they’ll just tell you your facts are wrong, the state’s debt will bury us soon, and we can’t afford all the evil immigrants. They’ll drag out the number of companies that have left the state or gone out of business, paying no attention to the new companies. And so forth.

Kansas is a good comeback to that. And if they do the “But Obama” or “Government regulations” then ask why California is working under the same regulations.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:55:55pm

Donald Trump is completely unable to just ignore criticism. He absolutely HAS to pound his chest whenever he feels challenged.

Not the best trait for a president to have.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:56:29pm

re: #114 Resistance Is Not Futile

And all you’ll need to do is smile pityingly and shake your head. Until they scream themselves into apoplexy.

Which is what I pretty much do. I also ask why I live in a vastly overvalued (IMHO) house if no one wants to live here.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:56:50pm

re: #116 goddamnedfrank

Forget it, Frank. You can use cast iron like ordinary mortals.

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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:57:39pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Trump. That word will eventually mean something either slimy, vile, uncouth or all of the above.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:57:39pm

re: #116 goddamnedfrank

Someone buy me this m’kay.

Doesn’t look like it is well seasoned. Probably only worth $1000 or so.
/

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 2:58:26pm

re: #119 Belafon

Kansas is a good comeback to that. And if they do the “But Obama” or “Government regulations” then ask why California is working under the same regulations.

Evil Socialist machinations.

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:00:16pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

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Obama needs to tweet something out about Trump being so easily controlled by Putin.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:00:23pm

re: #124 calochortus

Doesn’t look like it is well seasoned. Probably only worth $1000 or so.
/

It’s been cleaned and coated with mineral oil for show. I honestly doubt it would even fit in my oven since my 16 inch bail handled griddle is pushing it.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:01:24pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

It’s been cleaned and coated with mineral oil for show. I honestly doubt it would even fit in my oven since my 16 inch bail handled griddle is pushing it.

“Those grapes were probably sour anyway.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:01:41pm
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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:02:20pm

(googles cast iron Griswold skillets cuz Frank is nucking futz…)

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:02:23pm

On Trump’s tweet: he got the “why” wrong. The only reason, IMO, Obama might not have won again would be the very real failure (again, IMO) to prosecute vigorously those on Wall Street responsible for the 2008 crisis and the ability of the GOP dark-force ability to make people believe that their rights like health care and social security are communist plots (and maybe, Syria).

But I think Obama would have won by at least a small margin, though perhaps not with the same popular vote margin that HRC achieved. Who knows.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:03:18pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anyway, when did he say it?

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allegro  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:03:27pm

re: #124 calochortus

Doesn’t look like it is well seasoned. Probably only worth $1000 or so.
/

And for that you should at least get free shipping.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:03:34pm

re: #130 BigPapa

(googles cast iron Griswold skillets cuz Frank is nucking futz…)

Griswold is a (defunct) great brand. I have a chicken fryer I love.

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Interesting Times  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:03:58pm

This may be the best one yet :D

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:05:00pm

re: #135 Interesting Times

ALL the updings.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:05:11pm

re: #132 Resistance Is Not Futile

Anyway, when did he say it?

today:
cnn.com

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:06:12pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

&*^% dang pop-ups.

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wrenchwench  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:06:49pm

re: #134 calochortus

Griswold is a (defunct) great brand. I have a chicken fryer I love.

The foundry is defunct, but the skillets can live forever (properly cared for). Also the Dutch ovens, waffle irons, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:07:21pm

re: #138 PhillyPretzel

&*^% dang pop-ups.

2 more links:
washingtonpost.com
nbcnews.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:08:51pm
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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:08:56pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

The foundry is defunct, but the skillets can live forever (properly cared for). Also the Dutch ovens, waffle irons, etc.

Of course. Hence my ownership of a chicken fryer. I wish Lodge did a better finish on their stuff. The rough, “pre-seasoned” finish is junk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:09:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:10:25pm

They are all fucking nutz

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:10:51pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s making a pitch that the UN should be headquartered at Mar-a-Lago.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:11:01pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stone Kettle is correct. The uncouth one is a threat to practically everything USA stands for.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:11:20pm

re: #134 calochortus

Griswold is a (defunct) great brand.

Made by magical dwarves who died all died fighting Voldemort.

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wrenchwench  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:11:51pm

re: #142 calochortus

Of course. Hence my ownership of a chicken fryer. I wish Lodge did a better finish on their stuff. The rough, “pre-seasoned” finish is junk.

The old Lodge can be good. The currently produced stuff is made with recycled iron and courser sand in the mold, and they never machine the cooking surface anymore. And the ‘factory seasoning’ needs to be cleaned off before it starts to flake off into your food.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:12:40pm

re: #91 Belafon

If those kinds of people existed, we wouldn’t need laws in the first place. Everyone who has even remotely thought about how people act know that you cannot have a system without a regulatory system.

The simplest flaw in his free-market system is this: A restaurant that serves poison to all of its customers gets a bad customer review so that other people won’t go. It doesn’t help the people who were killed.

Right, or a company making steel in Pittsburgh sells its steel everywhere else in the world while making the air in Pittsburgh unbreathable, and dumping ton upon ton of industrial waste right into the river.

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:12:57pm

Today I completed a long read introducing me to the history of religious philosophy from Aquinas through today and it’s relevance to Trumpism and anti-intellectualism. And Griswold cast iron cookware.

Atta Boy
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:13:56pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

The foundry is defunct, but the skillets can live forever (properly cared for). Also the Dutch ovens, waffle irons, etc.

No kidding. I have a #6 skillet, the 9” kind, that belonged to my Grandmother. It’s THE pan for grilled cheese sammiches.

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:14:04pm

That’s one helluva shot/chaser.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:14:11pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

Made by magical dwarves who died all died fighting Voldemort.

I have four from my grandparents from “one-egg” size through 15” (I think). Probably from pre-WWII. My mom has several, too.

Most recently the perfect way to cook the cornbread for the stuffing.

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wrenchwench  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:15:20pm

re: #151 Blind Frog Belly White

No kidding. I have a #6 skillet, the 9” kind, that belonged to my Grandmother. It’s THE pan for grilled cheese sammiches.

Some people think they used to be stronger, but NO, their skillets used to be lighter!

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:16:22pm

I got my daddy’s dutchy and a smaller fry pan from his momma in Tx.
I’ve mastered a killer jambalayah and all day cooked pinto beans in the dutchy. Plus a mean stew.

And Frank Dutch Oven’d this thead.

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wrenchwench  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:17:13pm

re: #153 Barefoot Grin

I have four from my grandparents from “one-egg” size through 15” (I think). Probably from pre-WWII. My mom has several, too.

Most recently the perfect way to cook the cornbread for the stuffing.

The #4 size is very rare. They can be dated by the logo and other markings on the bottom, and the three different handle styles.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:18:07pm

re: #142 calochortus

Of course. Hence my ownership of a chicken fryer. I wish Lodge did a better finish on their stuff. The rough, “pre-seasoned” finish is junk.

Someone should buy modern Lodge cast iron in bulk and run it through a CNC mill to get the dimensions and polish back to old school levels, then resell it as reproduction Erie / Griswold. The problem is that the market probably would never support a profitable economy of scale or Lodge would already be doing this.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:18:59pm

re: #156 wrenchwench

The #4 size is very rare. They can be dated by the logo and other markings on the bottom, and the three different handle styles.

My granddad got up at 4 every morning and cooked a single egg in it before going out to check on his livestock and peach orchards. I’ll check later to see which one it is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:19:40pm

re: #153 Barefoot Grin

I have four from my grandparents from “one-egg” size through 15” (I think). Probably from pre-WWII. My mom has several, too.

Most recently the perfect way to cook the cornbread for the stuffing.

Skillet cornbread is fucking excellent stuff!

I always have to make 2 batches - 1 with bacon grease, and on the ‘crumbly, flinty’ side for me, and another with butter, on the ‘sweet, cakey’ side for The Boys. Good cornbread is the preferred accompaniment for a good chili. Or even mediocre chili.

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:19:57pm

re: #150 BigPapa

I’ve managed to remote into my Raspberry Pi 3 with wireless set up on the board. I’m on my way.

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wrenchwench  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:21:05pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

Someone should buy modern Lodge cast iron in bulk and run it through a CNC mill to get the dimensions and polish back to old school levels, then resell it as reproduction Erie / Griswold. The problem is that the market probably would never support a profitable economy of scale or Lodge would already be doing this.

I spoke with a customer two days ago whose stepson told her he’s going to machine his new Lodge skillet. He has the equipment. I’ll let you know if he does it and tells me.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:22:11pm

re: #153 Barefoot Grin

I have four from my grandparents from “one-egg” size through 15” (I think). Probably from pre-WWII. My mom has several, too.

Most recently the perfect way to cook the cornbread for the stuffing.

I have skillets #3, 8, 9, the 16” griddle, a plette pan, an ableskiever pan, a colonial breakfast skillet, a patty bowl and a dutch oven. I need MOAR!

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:22:18pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

The old Lodge can be good. The currently produced stuff is made with recycled iron and courser sand in the mold, and they never machine the cooking surface anymore. And the ‘factory seasoning’ needs to be cleaned off before it starts to flake off into your food.

The new Lodge works OK, but it is a) inelegant and b) needs to be reseasoned immediately if not sooner. On the other hand, the are the last remaining American producer of cast iron cooking products, so there’s that.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:25:53pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

Someone should buy modern Lodge cast iron in bulk and run it through a CNC mill to get the dimensions and polish back to old school levels, then resell it as reproduction Erie / Griswold. The problem is that the market probably would never support a profitable economy of scale or Lodge would already be doing this.

I think there is some sort of cottage industry in fake Griswold/Erie products. At least when you Google Griswold something pops up on identifying fakes.

When you make something that lasts for generations, you are kind of limiting your market for selling new ones.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:26:37pm

re: #159 Blind Frog Belly White

Skillet cornbread is fucking excellent stuff!

I always have to make 2 batches - 1 with bacon grease, and on the ‘crumbly, flinty’ side for me, and another with butter, on the ‘sweet, cakey’ side for The Boys. Good cornbread is the preferred accompaniment for a good chili. Or even mediocre chili.

[slobbering]
Oh, yeah! When it was first used for such purposes my grandmother—and then my mother—kept a jar of bacon grease in the kitchen. We health conscious folks treat it with oil, but I’m not sure that’s superior. But +1 on cornbread and chili!

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:27:54pm

re: #163 calochortus

The new Lodge works OK, but it is a) inelegant and b) needs to be reseasoned immediately if not sooner. On the other hand, the are the last remaining American producer of cast iron cooking products, so there’s that.

Snow Peak in Japan makes a very few select cast iron pieces up to old standards, but the price is commensurate with the quality. REI has their Duo Cookset which is pretty nice for car camping.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:28:24pm

LGF Metalheads, take the @realscientists poll!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:28:33pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WTF. Yeah Donald they were just about having a good time when tehy made that vote. WTF is wrong with you?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:29:10pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Donald Trump is completely unable to just ignore criticism. He absolutely HAS to pound his chest whenever he feels challenged.

Not the best trait for a president to have.

He’s a fucking child.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:29:15pm

Ding ding, we have a winner.

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wrenchwench  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:29:24pm

re: #163 calochortus

The new Lodge works OK, but it is a) inelegant and b) needs to be reseasoned immediately if not sooner. On the other hand, the are the last remaining American producer of cast iron cooking products, so there’s that.

It’s in the hands of another family who married into the Lodge clan. I had a guy who came in here to look at the bikes and was shocked to see cast iron. His middle name was Lodge, from the original family.

The Martin of Martin Stove and Range is still around, although no longer doing cast iron. With Lockheed now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:30:40pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Ding ding, we have a winner.

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Pothehdic?

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Interesting Times  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:30:48pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Orange eggs are the most pothehdic eggs.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:30:55pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Ding ding, we have a winner.

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Pothedic heh. Trump supporters sure are some smrt people. //

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:31:00pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Wow. That’s some spelling of “pathetic.”

We have a problem with the education system in this country.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:31:12pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Ding ding, we have a winner.

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Been awhile since I’ve seen an orange egg. Nice to see they’re back at the top level of douchbags.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:31:13pm

re: #161 wrenchwench

I spoke with a customer two days ago whose stepson told her he’s going to machine his new Lodge skillet. He has the equipment. I’ll let you know if he does it and tells me.

I have read that you can do that-even by hand if you are patient and don’t have the equipment. I’m not sure if I have the patience, but my 7 qt. pot’s finish annoys me.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:31:38pm

re: #175 teleskiguy

Wow. That’s some spelling of “pathetic.”

We have a problem with the education system in this country.

We do. If this country had a better education system, Trump wouldn’t get nominated by a major party let alone elected.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:32:16pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:32:21pm

re: #177 calochortus

I have read that you can do that-even by hand if you are patient and don’t have the equipment. I’m not sure if I have the patience, but my 7 qt. pot’s finish annoys me.

Took me years to get the 12” Lodge skillet I bought 20 years ago into shape. Still not as good as the old Griswolds.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:33:15pm

re: #179 teleskiguy

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Uh huh.

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:33:33pm

re: #175 teleskiguy

Wow. That’s some spelling of “pathetic.”

We have a problem with the education system in this country.

I tend to blow off misspellings on Twitter, because 1) I’ve had them, and 2) people are a lot of times typing on a phone. The whole tweet is idiotic on its own even if the spelling was correct.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:33:40pm

re: #172 Blind Frog Belly White

Pothehdic?

Took me a while to figure that out. It’s pathetic-in every sense of that statement.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:34:04pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

Took me years to get the 12” Lodge skillet I bought 20 years ago into shape. Still not as good as the old Griswolds.

Well, that’s encouraging!

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:34:13pm

re: #173 Interesting Times

Orange eggs are the most pothehdic eggs.

They scramble easily in Rationality Skillets.

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wrenchwench  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:34:17pm

re: #164 calochortus

I think there is some sort of cottage industry in fake Griswold/Erie products. At least when you Google Griswold something pops up on identifying fakes.

When you make something that lasts for generations, you are kind of limiting your market for selling new ones.

Griswold went out of business and Wagner bought their stuff and used their molds and made more things that never say ‘Erie, PA’ on them because they were made in Ohio. (Then Wagner went out of business.) Size is 2% smaller, because of something I forget about copying.

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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:36:00pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Ding ding, we have a winner.

pothehdic

LOL

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:38:17pm

re: #179 teleskiguy

Because we’re concentrating on giving them a raze. Or not.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:39:59pm

I AM THE GREATEST PERSON EVER! I’M ALREADY MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN JUST BY BEING ME. TREMENDOUS! BIGLY!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:40:48pm

re: #189 teleskiguy

I AM THE GREATEST PERSON EVER! I’M ALREADY MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN JUST BY BEING ME. TREMENDOUS! BIGLY!

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And the right wing hacks call Obama a narcissist. Look at who you fucking enabled, shitheads. Fuck you Donald.

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allegro  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:41:43pm

The world was gloomy before I won - there was no hope. Now the market is up nearly 10% and Christmas spending is over a trillion dollars!

We figure we may as well spend what we have now and get something for it before you steal it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:41:53pm

Trump can’t go a fucking day without fellating himself. What’s the matter Donald? Did you Daddy not love you enough and that’s why you have to brag so much? You should try modesty Donald because you have a lot to be modest about. If you didn’t luck your way into wealth, you’d be just as poor as your idiotic base that you used.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:43:21pm
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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:43:24pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

I ran into a Free Marketeer on a friend’s FB thread today. He told me that true Free Market Capitalism hadn’t failed, because it had never been tried. Then when I pointed out that he sounded like the Communists, and that capitalism is a nice tool that needs to be used carefully to prevent it running amok, he said

Those who practice true free market capitalism recognize that it is not in their best interest to not exploit either the consumer, the producer, or the environment.

I told him I’d taken him seriously, till he said that. What a naif.

Ask him a question for me: why are you trying to base a system on people even you admit are so rare they esentially don’t exist?

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:45:00pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

And the right wing hacks call Obama a narcissist. Look at who you fucking enabled, shitheads. Fuck you Donald.

But it isn’t narcissism if you really are that good!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:45:52pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

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Is it crazy of me to think that he may have an idea to make the presidency passed down from parent to child? You know he’d love Ivanka to replace him after he’s gone. Goddamn, fuck, I’m trying to accept this the best I can and every day he just shows why he’s uncut for the job or honestly any government job. He’s a narcissistic nutjob who can’t go a day telling the world how awesome he is. I can’t wait for him to be brought down a peg when he finds out that the presidency is actually a difficult job unlike his jobs of running a reality show.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:46:23pm

re: #195 calochortus

But it isn’t narcissism if you really are that good!

You jest but I imagine a lot of his bootlickers feel exactly that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:46:40pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

My name is Ozymandias, King Of Kings! Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

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allegro  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:47:27pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

Is it crazy of me to think that he may have an idea to make the presidency passed down from parent to child? You know he’d love Ivanka to replace him after he’s gone. Goddamn, fuck, I’m trying to accept this the best I can and every day he just shows why he’s uncut for the job or honestly any government job. He’s a narcissistic nutjob who can’t go a day telling the world how awesome he is. I can’t wait for him to be brought down a peg when he finds out that the presidency is actually a difficult job unlike his jobs of running a reality show.

You assume he will make the attempt to do the job. He won’t. He has people for that.

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:49:09pm

re: #199 allegro

You assume he will make the attempt to do the job. He won’t. He has people for that.

Interestingly enough, he thinks the best way to do that is have the people around him fight amongst themselves.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:49:33pm

re: #198 Blind Frog Belly White

My name is Ozymandias, King Of Kings! Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

I hope Trump ends up like Ozymandias, just two vast and trunkless legs of stone
standing in the desert.

Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:49:53pm

re: #199 allegro

You assume he will make the attempt to do the job. He won’t. He has people for that.

That’s true.

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William Lewis  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:49:54pm

re: #167 teleskiguy

LGF Metalheads, take the @realscientists poll!

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Probably heavy since, in the end, my favorite remains BOC. Though that new Avenged Sevenfold is damn fun…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:50:14pm

re: #201 teleskiguy

I hope Trump ends up like Ozymandias, just two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert.

With really little feet.

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Quiet Storm  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:50:28pm

There is a new foundry here in Michigan. I signed their list to be considered. I received my email about a month ago that I had made it to the top of the list. I got a 9” and a 12 for $250. Should arrive in January. Will post pics and info when they come.

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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:50:44pm

re: #164 calochortus

I think there is some sort of cottage industry in fake Griswold/Erie products. At least when you Google Griswold something pops up on identifying fakes.

When you make something that lasts for generations, you are kind of limiting your market for selling new ones.

Chinese probably are buying the old ones to make the molds for the new ones. The Chinese pump out EVERYTHING you could possibly image. From Fake Japanese Samurai to Fake silver dollars Incredible. To say nothing of musical instruments. Google Chinese Gibson/ Gibsan guitars. Nuts.

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allegro  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:50:48pm

re: #200 Belafon

Interestingly enough, he thinks the best way to do that is have the people around him fight amongst themselves.

To me this is great news. Evil and ineffective is limiting in the damage that can be done. Evil and effective… much more scary.

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William Lewis  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:51:15pm

re: #175 teleskiguy

Wow. That’s some spelling of “pathetic.”

We have a problem with the education system in this country.

The GOP has been fucking up education for a couple of decades now. This last election is the goal of that process.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:52:39pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

This fucking guy.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
The United Nations has such great potential but right now it is just a club for people to get together, talk and have a good time. So sad!
4:41 PM - 26 Dec 2016
6,631 6,631 Retweets 22,224 22,224 likes

So, Donny Trump thinks the UN has potential. The way he makes that statement is like it never has used that potential.

I’m guessing that then means with Donny Trump in office he will make sure the potential is realized because he will make it and the world great.

What a guy that Donny. The Greatest ever…bullshittter.

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William Lewis  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:52:56pm

re: #201 teleskiguy

I hope Trump ends up like Ozymandias, just two vast and trunkless legs of stone
standing in the desert.

Problem is that so did the ancient Egypt of the original statue…

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Interesting Times  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:54:23pm

Kurt Eichenwald’s most recent tweets are interesting, and perhaps not what you’d expect (given how strong an HRC supporter he was). In fact, this one pretty much encapsulates all the post-mortem election comments I’ve been making here:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:54:35pm

re: #189 teleskiguy

I AM THE GREATEST PERSON EVER! I’M ALREADY MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN JUST BY BEING ME. TREMENDOUS! BIGLY!

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So, “Christmas According to Trump” really has nothing to do with Christ.
It’s all about spending lots of money.

got it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:57:18pm

re: #211 Interesting Times

Kurt Eichenwald’s most recent tweets are interesting, and perhaps not what you’d expect (given how strong an HRC supporter he was). In fact, this one pretty much encapsulates all the post-mortem election comments I’ve been making here:

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I really think a lot of the Rust Belt went for him since he knew how to play to their resentments in a way that Bush, McCain, and Romney could or would not. I also think many of them have blinders over their eyes too. Sorry the mines and mills aren’t coming back and that the left in the first place was in part due to people like Trump who don’t value American workers or think they should be paid good wages or be able to unionize but telling these people they got conned is “mean.”

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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 3:58:00pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

You know all about those who need to talk themselves up. He’s the perfect example of someone who has a million dollars thrown at their feet. They look up, and some guy across the room is rubbing two quarters together, smiling. That million dollars is now not enough. It’s never enough.

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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:00:51pm

re: #206 nines09

I should also mention that the Russians are also pretty good at counterfeiting. They just sold a fake President to the great unwashed here in good ‘ol USA.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:01:04pm

It’s sad that areas that once bustled with industry have declined and I agree something needs to be done but I don’t want to lie to people and make bullshit promises the way Trump and Sanders was doing. And let me be honest, during the so called golden age for many of these areas, pollution was heavy and people died a lot younger. Energies change. Coal is no longer what it once was to the economy. I appreciate the hard work miners once did but there are new and more efficient energy sources and better yet they won’t get the men and women who work in those industries sick.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:01:57pm

re: #205 Quiet Storm

There is a new foundry here in Michigan. I signed their list to be considered. I received my email about a month ago that I had made it to the top of the list. I got a 9” and a 12 for $250. Should arrive in January. Will post pics and info when they come.

Marquette Foundry? Just looked at their website. It looks like they are getting a good bit of support/pre-orders.
I’ll be really interested in your review. Maybe you could do a page so it doesn’t get lost among the other posts?

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:02:14pm

re: #135 Interesting Times

This may be the best one yet :D

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PublicPolicyPolling ✔ @ppppolls
We found that if voters got to choose between you and keeping President Obama, they’d rather keep him by a 53-41 margin


5:43 PM - 26 Dec 2016
253 253 Retweets 313 313 likes

Right now. Give Trump until mid-July and lets take that poll again. I bet it is 65-30+

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:05:07pm

re: #211 Interesting Times

Kurt Eichenwald’s most recent tweets are interesting, and perhaps not what you’d expect (given how strong an HRC supporter he was). In fact, this one pretty much encapsulates all the post-mortem election comments I’ve been making here:

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A historical thought experiment: Could Democrats have done anything differently over the last 40-ish years that would have allowed a better outcome than where we are now, if they maintained their (what some see as meager) support for minorities?

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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:06:00pm

re: #218 ObserverArt

I’m waiting for that Trump line of clothing to move back here and be staffed with H-2B workers. JOBS!

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:06:01pm
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Quiet Storm  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:07:52pm

re: #217 calochortus

Will try. I am a bit shy.

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William Lewis  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:10:13pm

re: #221 teleskiguy

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I don’t mind the people who only go at Christmas and Easter - If those of us at my church can provide them something important on those two days of the year, then we’re doing something good. But this is despicable. And so many will fall for this scam as well.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:11:10pm

re: #221 teleskiguy

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The 2 Corinthians agree. Seriously, such bullshit. I’m sorry but I don’t believe for a second that Christianity means anything to Donald Trump. There’s nothing wrong with that but no.

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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:11:38pm

re: #221 teleskiguy

You can hear the people chewing this, as a cow does cud.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:11:49pm

re: #222 Quiet Storm

Will try. I am a bit shy.

But you have the protection of total anonymity here!

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:13:21pm

Way to make liberals into fuckin’ kooks, New Rupublic.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:14:57pm

re: #227 teleskiguy

Way to make liberals into fuckin’ kooks, New Rupublic.

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Yeah that’s as helpful as the guns for all type response. Sigh TNR.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:15:42pm

re: #227 teleskiguy

Way to make liberals into fuckin’ kooks, New Rupublic.

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I know Black and White, Right and Wrong, etc. are quick and easy, but life isn’t like that. Embrace the nuance, people.

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wrenchwench  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:16:13pm

re: #226 calochortus

But you have the protection of total anonymity here!

Unless…could it be….

Storm Large 8 MILES WIDE

Nah, that doesn’t go with ‘shy’.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:16:31pm

OK, something lighthearted.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:17:28pm

re: #227 teleskiguy

That’s just nutty.

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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:18:48pm

re: #222 Quiet Storm

Will try. I am a bit shy.

Didn’t you know we can access your camera here? On any device? No go put on some clothes. ///

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:19:57pm

re: #227 teleskiguy

Way to make liberals into fuckin’ kooks, New Rupublic.

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The train from Kook-a-monga has doors on both sides…….

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Amory Blaine  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:21:08pm

Hmm. George, I think that box is a little too small.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:23:13pm

re: #211 Interesting Times

Kurt Eichenwald’s most recent tweets are interesting, and perhaps not what you’d expect (given how strong an HRC supporter he was). In fact, this one pretty much encapsulates all the post-mortem election comments I’ve been making here:

Kurt Eichenwald ✔ @kurteichenwald
Reality: Middle class suffering for decades. GOP hasn’t cared, dems haven’t much either. Trump says “I’m different!” And rust belt believes.
6:13 PM - 26 Dec 2016
214 214 Retweets 623 623 likes

I don’t think his comment goes against his support of Clinton. It does pretty much say what we all knew after the election and have seen in breakdowns. People for some reason decided to take a huge risk and buy into the bull of him being different.

And yeah, he gets in a dig that Dems haven’t much cared…that might just mean the Dems haven’t gone far enough. But decades? Maybe Kurt needs to sell some ad space and keep readers.

Those people that bought the “I’m different” are going to get a lesson in how stupid that was. Problem is their decision affects many that didn’t buy in. Thanks folks…for fucking us all over.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:23:43pm

I really hope people who voted for Fuckface Von Clownstick come to their senses and realize that he doesn’t have their interests in mind. I’m not holding my breath, though, because it seems most of FVC’s voters are dumber than a bag of hammers.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:25:16pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, “Christmas According to Trump” really has nothing to do with Christ.
It’s all about spending lots of money.

got it.

Well, that seems to have been how many American’s see the holiday…commercialized and profit driven.

Donny was just being truthful. /

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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:29:31pm

re: #237 teleskiguy

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I really hope people who voted for Fuckface Von Clownstick come to their senses and realize that he doesn’t have their interests in mind. I’m not holding my breath, though, because it seems most of FVC’s voters are dumber than a bag of hammers.

You have to ask yourself where they are going to get that info from. People here sometimes take for granted how plugged in they are and how much they are paying attention. The both sides do it and Magical Balance Fairy have screwed the pooch. Look at all the dopes who did not even vote. Democrats vote. Sometimes. Republicans vote and vote and await the next vote.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:30:59pm

re: #227 teleskiguy

Way to make liberals into fuckin’ kooks, New Rupublic.

Want to stop gun violence? Ban guns. All of them.

I see that author Phoebe Bovy not only wants to stop NEW gun acquisitions and transfers of every kind, she wants to take the infernal machines away from people who have them now.
Hmmmm….
Okay, Phoebe, I’m with you. Since the cops already have their hands full and I’m guessing you don’t want the military tearing the country apart in a mass door to door search (not to mention they would tell you to get stuffed if you gave them such orders), we will have to form a new volunteer agency for the task.
I will volunteer to go with you in fact. We can take turns going up to tract houses and Mcmansions, starting here in Texas, and demand that the residents turn their guns over to us for destruction.
Uh, you first.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:31:20pm

re: #237 teleskiguy

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I really hope people who voted for Fuckface Von Clownstick come to their senses and realize that he doesn’t have their interests in mind. I’m not holding my breath, though, because it seems most of FVC’s voters are dumber than a bag of hammers.

Hammers are useful…so, there is that.

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Quiet Storm  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:32:06pm

re: #237 teleskiguy

They believe everything he says. I have a high school classmate on FB that keeps posting silly memes about how he gave up a billionaire lifestyle just to help the common folks. She also feels that those who go to college don’t have common sense.

That is where they get this Christ /sacrifice image.

One guy posted in comments that he did some work for DT and he had left his computer on with the banking online screen open and he had only $600,000 in his bank account.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:33:26pm

re: #238 ObserverArt

Well, that seems to have been how many American’s see the holiday…commercialized and profit driven.

Donny was just being truthful. /

Well, given the current way the holiday is celebrated here, I’m not sure you need a sarc tag on that.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:33:58pm

re: #236 ObserverArt

I don’t think his comment goes against his support of Clinton. It does pretty much say what we all knew after the election and have seen in breakdowns. People for some reason decided to take a huge risk and buy into the bull of him being different.

And yeah, he gets in a dig that Dems haven’t much cared…that might just mean the Dems haven’t gone far enough. But decades? Maybe Kurt needs to sell some ad space and keep readers.

Those people that bought the “I’m different” are going to get a lesson in how stupid that was. Problem is their decision affects many that didn’t buy in. Thanks folks…for fucking us all over.

I will point out, even to Kurt Eichenwald, that Hillary had plenty to say about economic issues… which no-one bothered to cover, preferring click bait.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:34:31pm

re: #243 calochortus

Well, given the current way the holiday is celebrated here, I’m not sure you need a sarc tag on that.

The sarc tag was for the Donny being truthful. : )

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:35:02pm

re: #245 ObserverArt

The sarc tag was for the Donny being truthful. : )

Sorry, should have been obvious!

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Quiet Storm  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:35:48pm

BBL dinner

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:36:21pm

re: #237 teleskiguy

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I really hope people who voted for Fuckface Von Clownstick come to their senses and realize that he doesn’t have their interests in mind. I’m not holding my breath, though, because it seems most of FVC’s voters are dumber than a bag of hammers.

I continue to hope that the ones we see are the dumbest and most fanatical — the ones who can be reached are the ones we don’t see. It’s a bad idea to assume that ALL Trump voters are cut from exactly the same extremist cloth.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:37:42pm

re: #239 nines09

You have to ask yourself where they are going to get that info from. People here sometimes take for granted how plugged in they are and how much they are paying attention. The both sides do it and Magical Balance Fairy have screwed the pooch. Look at all the dopes who did not even vote. Democrats vote. Sometimes. Republicans vote and vote and await the next vote.

There will be real-world consequences that affect the FVC voter. The gutting of the Affordable Care Act and Medicare, privatization of Social Security, the fact that coal mining jobs have for the most part gone the way of the dodo in Appalachia and other places (the invisible hand of the Market has chosen natural gas and renewables), new taxes on imported goods (tariffs for American companies making goods overseas), labor shortages on farms due to decreased immigration, and on and on. It might take some time, but they’ll see it. And vote against their best interests because that’s what working class Republicans do.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:42:38pm
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William Lewis  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:43:42pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:44:07pm

OOF!

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:45:08pm

re: #249 teleskiguy

A small upside to not enough farm labor-labor contractors/farmers will have to start treating them better. I’d be happy to pay more for produce picked by people who could afford decent food and housing.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:45:33pm

re: #244 Resistance Is Not Futile

I will point out, even to Kurt Eichenwald, that Hillary had plenty to say about economic issues… which no-one bothered to cover, preferring click bait.

That goes back to some of the back ‘n’ forth we had here at LGF whether that was being mentioned enough. Some of us were saying she needed to ramp that up.

When it was happening, it was easy to see she was covering it in her speeches and on her site, but she wasn’t getting the media coverage and in some ways the coverage wasn’t taking her seriously. They were painting her in their way and she needed to change the pallet.

So in hindsight, it is easy to say that is correct. But it doesn’t mean Hillary didn’t do enough. What I do think it now means is that she must have needed to do more.

Now, how could that have been done considering how she was handled by big TV media, especially cable news? Answer that and politicians may need it for future elections.

I can see a college political science course in the future on: How to overcome and control the media so your message gets out.

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Interesting Times  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:55:25pm

re: #254 ObserverArt

So in hindsight, it is easy to say that is correct. But it doesn’t mean Hillary didn’t do enough. What I do think it now means is that she must have needed to do more.

Now, how could that have been done considering how she was handled by big TV media, especially cable news? Answer that and politicians may need it for future elections.

One thing I was really, really hoping she’d do was her own version of Obama’s 2008 30-minute prime-time TV spot, one week before the election. That spot was a stroke of brilliance, featuring regular Americans from various states/walks of life talking about their problems, hopes, and how Obama’s policies could help them.

HRC could see as well as any of us how her message wasn’t getting through thanks to MSM dumbassery. So she had to create her own media and take her message directly to supporters on a massive scale (more campaigning in the swing states she lost would’ve helped, along with a prolonged push to educate voters there on how to overcome suppression - I thought this had been done, but according to various post-mortems, it wasn’t enough).

Plus, I’ve spoken before about the missed opportunities at the convention, when Dems had as close to an unfiltered spotlight as they could have hoped for.

Lots of people mistakenly thought the GOP would “pay a price” at the ballot box for their extremism. What happened instead is that voters punished the Dems for not fighting back hard enough. :(

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:56:44pm
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William Lewis  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:57:06pm

re: #254 ObserverArt

I can see a college political science course in the future on: How to overcome and control the media so your message gets out.

QFT.

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Citizen K  Dec 26, 2016 • 4:59:14pm

re: #189 teleskiguy

I AM THE GREATEST PERSON EVER! I’M ALREADY MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN JUST BY BEING ME. TREMENDOUS! BIGLY!

I could have bought the idea that Prebius’s statement meant to refer to Jesus as King, rather than Trump, but now I’m not sure, because holy shit, this is some Messianic Narccisism. Remember the BS about Obama’s supporters believing him to be some kind of Messiah? Well, I don’t think the folks making that claim have a fucking leg to stand on.

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:02:17pm

re: #258 Citizen K

I could have bought the idea that Prebius’s statement meant to refer to Jesus as King, rather than Trump, but now I’m not sure, because holy shit, this is some Messianic Narccisism. Remember the BS about Obama’s supporters believing him to be some kind of Messiah? Well, I don’t think the folks making that claim have a fucking leg to stand on.

It seems to me that he’s already crossed into the Hitler-in-the-bunker phase.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:02:21pm

re: #255 Interesting Times

One thing I was really, really hoping she’d do was her own version of Obama’s 2008 30-minute prime-time TV spot, one week before the election. That spot was a stroke of brilliance, featuring regular Americans from various states/walks of life talking about their problems, hopes, and how Obama’s policies could help them.

HRC could see as well as any of us how her message wasn’t getting through thanks to MSM dumbassery. So she had to create her own media and take her message directly to supporters on a massive scale (more campaigning in the swing states she lost would’ve helped, along with a prolonged push to educate voters there on how to overcome suppression - I thought this had been done, but according to various post-mortems, it wasn’t enough).

Plus, I’ve spoken before about the missed opportunities at the convention, when Dems had as close to an unfiltered spotlight as they could have hoped for.

Lots of people mistakenly thought the GOP would “pay a price” at the ballot box for their extremism. What happened instead is that voters punished the Dems for not fighting back hard enough. :(

Who knew irrationality was the name of the game this election?

One candidate had to continually run an obstacle course that was being changed as she came upon them and the other candidate just had to belch, tweet and call TV stations to tell everyone how great he was.

Fair? No way. I hope history writes she had more to overcome than any candidate ever, even as qualified as she was.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:03:49pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:05:01pm

re: #251 William Lewis

Sigh. Here’s hoping…

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Video

Oh. Now I’m on a Patti binge. And I’m crying. She’s so what I needed right now. Thank you.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:06:31pm

re: #261 Charles Johnson

Pretty sure he’s talking about Fuckface Von Clownstick and not you. His feed is virulently anti-FVC.

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Quiet Storm  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:06:47pm

re: #253 calochortus

I don’t think that all happen. In Georgia when they had a shortage, they simply use prisoners. Why pay workers when you have slaves?

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Interesting Times  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:07:10pm

re: #260 ObserverArt

Who knew irrationality was the name of the game this election?

One candidate had to continually run an obstacle course that was being changed as she came upon them and the other candidate just had to belch, tweet and call TV stations to tell everyone how great he was.

Fair? No way. I hope history writes she had more to overcome than any candidate ever, even as qualified as she was.

I don’t know if you saw these arguments from George Lakoff, but he sums it up thus:

“The conservative and progressive worldviews dividing our country can most readily be understood in terms of moral worldviews that are encapsulated in two very different idealizations of family life: The Nurturant Parent family (progressive) and the Strict Father family (conservative).”

Last summer, when many experts were still wondering how a non-doctrinaire conservative like Trump could win the nomination of a GOP that had gone so far to the right that it has to urinate at 90 degree angle, Lakoff laid out how Trump’s bullying bombast appealed to Evangelicals, Pragmatic Conservatives and Laissez-faire Free Marketeers. He saw Trump exploiting elements of the conservative worldview — including the “country as person metaphor” and simplistic “direct causation” — that the right has spent hundreds of millions of dollars nurturing.

In addition to his mastery of the broad strokes of the right-wing politics of dominance, Trump’s decades of experience selling crap taught him how to use your brain against you, including repetition, framing like “Crooked” Hillary, and “truthful hyperbole.”

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:11:24pm

Hey Charles, since Fuckface Von Clownstick is going to take the reigns of power pretty soon, perhaps an easy quick code for a Trump font a la wingnut and dudebro. Comic sans with the color GoldenRod so all we have to type is [ trump ] [/ trump ].

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:11:35pm

re: #265 Interesting Times

I don’t know if you saw this piece from George Lakoff, but he sums it up thus:

Did Freetoken write some of that piece?

He was going on about a lot of that and at times I think LGF members glossed over it seeing it as him being repetitious and a bit of a downer.

We all should have taken that thinking way more serious.

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allegro  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:12:38pm

re: #258 Citizen K

I could have bought the idea that Prebius’s statement meant to refer to Jesus as King, rather than Trump, but now I’m not sure, because holy shit, this is some Messianic Narccisism. Remember the BS about Obama’s supporters believing him to be some kind of Messiah? Well, I don’t think the folks making that claim have a fucking leg to stand on.

There’s also the fact that he said “new” king coming. I’m not a believer but is this a thing that Jesus is new every year?

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:12:47pm

From 2012:

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:13:24pm

I see one other casualty in this election- the “true believer” Evangelical right wing. Those who supported Ted Cruz were humiliated as was Ted “most punchable face in history” Cruz himself. Ted is now choosing to grovel at the feet of the man who publicly humiliated his wife and his father in front of his face. Cruz was the one who had most publicly picked up the mantle of the Evangelical Christian hard right and galloped with it only to be donkey punched by the most crass, vulgar, wealth-worshipping, willfully ignorant personality in American politcal history.

Consider the true believer Jesus Bible pounders to be sidelined in favor of Phony baloney profits-only Libertarians, alt-white/openly racist/whatever pathetics, Trumpian say-anything to get elected carnival barkers in future Republican primaries.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:14:31pm

Here’s a very cool pure CSS technique to create a bar graph, using only one span.

Iframe

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:14:31pm

re: #268 allegro

There’s also the fact that he said “new” king coming. I’m not a believer but is this a thing that Jesus is new every year?

Yeah…old time religion mojo. Christmas is every year so a “New” King comes every year.

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William Lewis  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:14:49pm

re: #262 Barefoot Grin

Oh. Now I’m on a Patti binge. And I’m crying. She’s so what I needed right now. Thank you.

Understand. I went on a Dire Straits binge after that. What we’ve been talking about? Telegraph road is a real place, a real road. I was shocked when I ended up on it for a delivery back when I drove for Schneider.

Inspired by a bus trip taken by Knopfler, the lyrics narrate a tale of changing land development over a span of many decades along Telegraph Road in suburban Detroit, Michigan. In the later verses, Knopfler focuses on one man’s personal struggle with unemployment after the city built around the telegraph road has become uninhabited and barren just as it began.

In an interview on RockLine, a “rock radio network” call-in show, broadcast live on 10 May 1983, Mark Knopfler said, while on tour, he… “in fact was driving down that road and I was reading a book at the time called Growth of the Soil [by the Norwegian author Knut Hamsun], and I just put the two together. I was driving down this Telegraph Road… and it just went on and on and on forever, it’s like what they call linear development. And I just started to think, I wondered how that road must have been when it started, what it must have first been. And then really that’s how it all came about yeah, I just put that book together and the place where I was, I was actually sitting in the front of the tour bus at the time.” [3]

Dire Straits-Telegraph Road Live- aLCHEMY Tour 1983

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:15:50pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Of course, they always make the excuse “Well The Bible never said anything about government doing those things.”

Which is SUCH a lame excuse, since theoretically at least when the gubmint does something it is us doing it collectively.

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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:18:09pm

re: #264 Quiet Storm

I don’t think that all happen. In Georgia when they had a shortage, they simply use prisoners. Why pay workers when you have slaves?

If I recall correctly, the prisoners didn’t work out too well. Harvesting involves skill. Most prisoners aren’t likely to have experience.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:18:18pm

re: #273 William Lewis

Understand. I went on a Dire Straits binge after that. What we’ve been talking about? Telegraph road is a real place, a real road. I was shocked when I ended up on it for a delivery back when I drove for Schneider.

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A long time ago, came a man on the track,
Walkin’ thirty miles with a pack on his back.
He put down his load where he thought it was the best.
Made a home in the wilderness…

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:20:37pm
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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:21:48pm

re: #249 teleskiguy

I thought the pendulum was swinging back, but I was wrong. People will be hurt and a lot voted just for that. The other guy. Not them.

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William Lewis  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:22:08pm

re: #267 ObserverArt

Did Freetoken write some of that piece?

He was going on about a lot of that and at times I think LGF members glossed over it seeing it as him being repetitious and a bit of a downer.

We all should have taken that thinking way more serious.

I am reminded that Andrew Jackson, along with his own populist attack on the core of the government, argued that the national debt was destroying the US and had to be ended. He paid off the US debt for the first and only time.

And crashed the economy harder than ever before or ever since. Panic of 1837

That’s the lesson we really need to remember.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:25:15pm

re: #273 William Lewis

Understand. I went on a Dire Straits binge after that. What we’ve been talking about? Telegraph road is a real place, a real road. I was shocked when I ended up on it for a delivery back when I drove for Schneider.

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I always knew about Telegraph Road because the part of Ohio I grew up in used to be under the radio signal for Detroit/Windsor AM station CKLW. Being one of the major roads in Detroit you always heard ads for stuff that was on that road.

Stayed in a Motel out on Telegraph one time when I was in Detroit for the old CART IndyCar race on Belle Isle.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:25:38pm

re: #273 William Lewis

Understand. I went on a Dire Straits binge after that. What we’ve been talking about? Telegraph road is a real place, a real road. I was shocked when I ended up on it for a delivery back when I drove for Schneider.

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For me the ones that do it are the one you posted, “Frederick,” “Dancing Barefoot,” “Gloria,” and many more.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:36:11pm

re: #268 allegro

To the best of my knowledge, it is not.

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William Lewis  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:44:13pm

re: #268 allegro

There’s also the fact that he said “new” king coming. I’m not a believer but is this a thing that Jesus is new every year?

No, it’s simply a celebration of the single incarnation that happened only once. The idea that god chose to become one of us by being born as the first child of a Palestinian Jewish family in the middle of one of the most oppressive regimes in history. And was a good Man despite everything thrown against him.

No, if they’re talking about a “new” king in this context it is, literally, blasphemy if they claim to be believers. Let’s just say that isn’t my idea of Christianity…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:53:49pm

OT: The Adjustment Bureau is such a great flick. That is all.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 5:58:57pm

Just saw Kingsman: Secret Service for the first time. Pretty entertaining movie. Sort of a 21st century James Bond film.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:53:16pm

re: #146 PhillyPretzel

Stone Kettle is correct. The uncouth one is a threat to practically everything USA stands for.

Not really. Millions of Americans chose him to be President despite his idiot tweets throughout the long campaign. They surely don’t think of him as a threat and only their opinions matter to him.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 26, 2016 • 9:38:35pm

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