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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:12:24pm

Yes. This is good. For better or worse Impeachment is our best option.

edit. What Jim said.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:12:41pm

Thank you Nancy….. I don’t care about the Senate. But this needs to be done.

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:13:21pm

Didn’t we all know that when the fat orange tyrant lost his usefulness to the R’s they would turn on him? He did and they did. FOT gave them the perfect out with his ridiculously arrogant stupidity with Ukraine.

He’s such a dumb orange bitch.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:14:02pm

About Bush but it will have to do for now

Neil Young: Let’s Impeach The President

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:14:09pm

It needed to be done. Future Presidents shouldn’t be able to use Trump and Barr to declare themselves above the law. It needs to happen. The truth needs to come out.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:15:06pm

re: #3 plansbandc

Didn’t we all know that when the fat orange tyrant lost his usefulness to the R’s they would turn on him? He did and they did. FOT gave them the perfect out with his ridiculously arrogant stupidity with Ukraine.

He’s such a dumb orange bitch.

He’s nowhere near as clever as he thinks. Dumbass really thinks Putin likes him.

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:16:41pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:17:43pm

A lot has changed in the last week. I’ve been very frustrated by Pelosi’s reticence to proceed with a formal impeachment process, but in the final analysis I think her strategy has been validated. She kept handing Trump rope, and it appears that he finally hung himself with it. It’s going to be impossible to keep the IG complaint under wraps, his tax returns will be pried loose, and between court losses and leaks a lot more damning shit is going to come out.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:18:26pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:19:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:19:09pm

re: #9 Dread Pirate

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Rage tweets a coming.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:19:44pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

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Shut up Jim. You helped get us in this mess.

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DangerMan  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:20:00pm

reposted from downstairs

mrs dm: her hand wasnt forced. a door was opened by trump himself
previous doors were left ajar*. this one is wide open.

*(how can a door be a jar?)

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:20:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:21:25pm

re: #14 gocart mozart

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I can. Also you’re worse than Benedict Arnold.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:21:28pm
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DangerMan  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:21:31pm

re: #2 Dave In Austin

Thank you Nancy….. I don’t care about the Senate. But this needs to be done.

i trust nancy and always have on this.

she didnt know this was coming specifically
she knew something would

(i also think there was a B plan that we dont have to discuss anymore)

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garzooma  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:22:35pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

I can. Also you’re worse than Benedict Arnold.

Benedict Donald

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rhuarc  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:22:37pm

Talk me off the ledge.

What if this whole Ukraine thing is a play by the administration? Is the IC IG independent? Are they a Trump loyalist? Is this an attempt to further erode the media and the Democrats? Am I just being a tin-foil hate wearer right now?

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:23:10pm

re: #16 The Pie Overlord!

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Give it an hour and his tweets will look like

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:24:31pm

There will be a metric shitload of Tweets

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:25:19pm

re: #19 rhuarc

Talk me off the ledge.

What if this whole Ukraine thing is a play by the administration? Is the IC IG independent? Are they a Trump loyalist? Is this an attempt to further erode the media and the Democrats? Am I just being a tin-foil hate wearer right now?

It’s going to be OK. Just step back to the window…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:25:44pm
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Danack  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:25:56pm

re: #21 The Pie Overlord!

There will be a metric shitload of Tweets

Ya reckon?

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danarchy  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:26:05pm

re: #19 rhuarc

Talk me off the ledge.

What if this whole Ukraine thing is a play by the administration? Is the IC IG independent? Are they a Trump loyalist? Is this an attempt to further erode the media and the Democrats? Am I just being a tin-foil hate wearer right now?

This is what worries me as well, if the whistle blower complaint comes out and has no smoking gun and is just innuendo and suggestive the MSM narrative is going to be “Democrats jumped the gun”

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DangerMan  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:26:06pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

It needed to be done. Future Presidents shouldn’t be able to use Trump and Barr to declare themselves above the law. It needs to happen. The truth needs to come out.

ive been wanting to say something about this sentiment for a while

just because a president (or AG) does something, doesnt necessarily make that a permanent precedent for all time.

this stuff isnt ‘law’.
it’s not stare decisis.
it’s convention.

just like that ‘cant indict’ DOJ memo, or frankly any counsel’s memo (john yoo torture). they are just opinions written to justify whatever they’re looking to do.

mueller couldnt dispute the memo from within doj. others could have.

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DangerMan  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:26:49pm

re: #7 plansbandc

The Chambers Brothers - Time Has Come Today

not the AM cut. the extended cut.

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:27:22pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

He might nuke California. Or any other state that didn’t go for him.

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DangerMan  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:28:25pm

re: #16 The Pie Overlord!

it’s not harassment when it’s true.

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DangerMan  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:28:59pm

re: #18 garzooma

Benedict Donald

Donald Arnold

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:29:37pm

re: #19 rhuarc

Talk me off the ledge.

What if this whole Ukraine thing is a play by the administration? Is the IC IG independent? Are they a Trump loyalist? Is this an attempt to further erode the media and the Democrats? Am I just being a tin-foil hate wearer right now?

The 7 dimensional chess myth needs to die. These fucks aren’t clever, there’s no grand stratagem at play, they’re just stumbling from one debacle to another.

Michael Atkinson was appointed by Trump but the office is independent. He was also a career DOJ prosecutor before assuming office, and not a GOP operative. There’s no reason to believe he’s a political toady, and like a lot of his appointments from his first two years in office I’m pretty sure Trump regrets picking him.

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DangerMan  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:31:00pm

re: #25 danarchy

This is what worries me as well, if the whistle blower complaint comes out and has no smoking gun and is just innuendo and suggestive the MSM narrative is going to be “Democrats jumped the gun”

the dems already gamed this out. i have to believe they have been for months

that’s why all the committees are reporting on what they have that’s impeachable

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:31:11pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

The 8th dimensional chess myth needs to die. These fucks aren’t clever, there’s no grand stratagem at play, they’re just stumbling from one debacle to another.

Michael Atkinson was appointed by Trump but the office is independent. He was also a career DOJ prosecutor before assuming office, and not a GOP operative. There’s no reason to believe he’s a political toady, and like a lot of his appointments from his first two years in office I’m pretty sure Trump regrets picking him.

Good thing it’s too late now.

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Danack  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:31:21pm

re: #19 rhuarc

What if this whole Ukraine thing is a play by the administration?

They’re just not that smart.

Giuliani apparently wasn’t clear enough in his persuasion to Ukraine to do what Trump wanted, so Trump, who views himself as the great dealmaker, apparently had a conversation with the to try to get them to do what he wanted.

As I said before, I’m pretty sure there are some KGB officers who dreamed up this whole deal sitting at a desk in Moscow, banging their heads against their desks.

People in positions of power always need a cut-out, to prevent any blame from a deal from going bad from reaching back to them. For Trump to get involved himself is really, really dumb.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:31:24pm

re: #24 Danack

Ya reckon?

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Maybe comply with the law regarding the release of the complaint, ya?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:31:30pm

re: #3 plansbandc

Didn’t we all know that when the fat orange tyrant lost his usefulness to the R’s they would turn on him? He did and they did. FOT gave them the perfect out with his ridiculously arrogant stupidity with Ukraine.

He’s such a dumb orange bitch.

Oh they haven’t turned on him. Not the Senate Rs at least. They’re just going to allow it to come up for a vote so they can kill it. Trump will frame it as a failed coup to rile up his violent base. We will see an OKC type attack before Nov. 6 2020. We were lucky that Army douche got caught.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:34:16pm

They are morally and emotionally disabled.

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:35:08pm

re: #36 GlutenFreeJesus

They are signalling a turn.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:35:08pm

re: #29 DangerMan

it’s not harassment when it’s true.

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He’s been harassing the entire country for 3 years.

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DangerMan  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:36:13pm

re: #37 The Pie Overlord!

They are morally and emotionally disabled.

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clueless. it must be in the blood

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Danack  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:36:35pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:37:11pm

All versions of “if you do this, Republicans will be even angrier and more out of control” are horseshit.

First, over seventy years they’ve built up a culture of ressentiment that’s self-reinforcing—that wingnut base—such that the cultural narrative will always encourage feeling betrayed and lashing out. They accuse everyone else…Democrats, the world, gays, SOROS, any insider engaging in mild criticism…of perfidy and treachery, but their sense of entitlement to retaliation has no grounding in actual transgressions against them. Their position of “I had to do that, why did you make me do that?” is bad faith.

Second, both the ideologues…the religious nuts…and the cynics…the ones just looking for cash…have consistent pursued maximal abuse of power, limited only by what they can conceal or justify in their subcultural lexicon of tropes and affective bypasses…because they have to appease their base. We’ve seen this with scams that get soldiers killed, maimed, and abandonned; we’ve seen it with torture; we’ve seen it with erosion of civil liberties and expansion of the police state. Parallel with the paragraph above…their opportunism is not dependent on the choices of anyone else.

Third, from Reagan to W to Trump, a consistent feature has been contempt for the spirit of the law and the social contract in favor of a wheedling, to-the-letter exploitation of loopholes, and the use of institutional opaqueness to outright break the law. Contempt for social norms such as comity and basic etiquette has escalted decade after decade. Claims that everyone else must be polite, respect norms, respect the rules, must be viewed as bullshit, bad faith, or evidence of a fundamental lack of self-reflection that verges on narcissism.

Fourth, we are not in a situation where Republicans are self-policing abuse of power because of respect for institutions; proposals that “things will get worse if you impeachment” hinge on the pretense that the GOP isn’t alternately undermining the systems and passively allowing destabilization.

Over and over we are seeing versions of “you will be responsible for our bad behavior” and it’s bullshit.

And one other thing…if “optics” are so important that they supercede the law, fact-finding, and the clear pattern of consistent unethical goals and actions by a group in power…then our society is already broken and the sense that sustaining the status quo will result in better outcomes is built on nothing. If there is only the narrative that informs what is good optics, and the narrative is set by a small number of power brokers, then things can get worse at any moment, when the powerful change the narrative. The status quo continuing on, that the powerful people will continue to play somewhat-nice, is an illusion.

When these people say “the optics will be bad” the response is to repeat, over and over “the optics are bullshit that you made up.”

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:37:18pm

It was a frabjous day, kaloo kallay, and y’all just ruined it for me!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:37:31pm

2 Unlimited-Get Ready For This

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:39:18pm

re: #37 The Pie Overlord!

They are morally and emotionally disabled.

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The whole family is awful.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:40:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:44:24pm

re: #46 gocart mozart

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He’s going to be so miserable. But hey Donnie, a criminal trial would get your record ratings you so love.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:45:51pm
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Belafon  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:46:47pm

re: #13 DangerMan

reposted from downstairs

mrs dm: her hand wasnt forced. a door was opened by trump himself
previous doors were left ajar*. this one is wide open.

*(how can a door be a jar?)

Wait until you find out your mirror is a pickle. (From a comedian back when cars talked to you.)

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:47:11pm

re: #41 Danack

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It’s part of a grift he began today to get money for his Defense Fund.

So you throw up some red meat for the rubes (Black? Check. Muslim? Check.) and put a “Text to” Trump # above it and the dough rolls in.

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Skip Intro  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:47:24pm

re: #37 The Pie Overlord!

Horrible people, every single one of them.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:47:35pm

re: #14 gocart mozart

And of course we need a black woman in the list so that he can make sure to be racist as well.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:48:10pm

re: #19 rhuarc

Talk me off the ledge.

What if this whole Ukraine thing is a play by the administration? Is the IC IG independent? Are they a Trump loyalist? Is this an attempt to further erode the media and the Democrats? Am I just being a tin-foil hate wearer right now?

Quick looking for ledges.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:49:16pm

Day 1, Year 57
That which has long been suspect has been shown to be true

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:50:11pm

re: #25 danarchy

This is what worries me as well, if the whistle blower complaint comes out and has no smoking gun and is just innuendo and suggestive the MSM narrative is going to be “Democrats jumped the gun”

The crime was one thing. But they’re covering it up. Make them have to not only release the actual recording, but the complaints filed by the whistle blower and allow the House and Senate to having hearings with the employee. If it turns out to be nothing, then we ask why it took so much effort to get Trump to follow the law.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:52:25pm

Hopefully we get to see soon enough which Republicans will anchor themselves to Trump and sink to the bottom with him.

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:57:18pm

re: #57 Eclectic Cyborg

Hopefully we get to see soon enough which Republicans will anchor themselves to Trump and sink to the bottom with him.

I think in the short term most of them will keep their pie-holes shut and let Faux and allied twitterati do the yelling, then see what the lay of the land is in their Districts.

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b.d. (Impeach them all)  Sep 24, 2019 • 2:58:02pm
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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:01:05pm

re: #59 b.d.

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A tweet for every occassion!

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Florida Panhandler  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:02:31pm

re: #29 DangerMan

it’s not harassment when it’s true.

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This Impeachment process may just provide the slight push needed for Trump to completely fall off the proverbial mental cliff and Republicans finally invoke the 25th Amendment.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:03:20pm

If Pelosi pulls this off, she’ll be a national hero.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:03:25pm

The GOP has been overwhelmed by the Mandela Effect. It’s been that way at least since Saint Ron the Senile yammered on about the simpler, cleaner time of his youth, when people left their doors unlocked and everyone was uniformly honest and well-intentioned. Anyone with the slightest factual knowledge of that time; the teens, ’20s, and ’30s; was repelled at this fantasy, but millions bought into it.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:04:28pm
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MsJ  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:06:03pm

re: #61 Florida Panhandler

This Impeachment process may just provide the slight push needed for Trump to completely fall off the proverbial mental cliff and Republicans finally invoke the 25th Amendment.

I can’t imagine for a moment that Republicans will EVER do the right thing.

Never.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:06:06pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“…I’m sick of hearing everybody bitch about it.”

Megan McCain’s sole expertise is Megan McCain’s feelings.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:07:43pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:07:52pm

re: #66 jaunte

Megan McCain’s sole expertise is Megan McCain’s feelings.

But at least today, she got her way. I wanna hear her response tomorrow. Should be epic.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:08:47pm

re: #66 jaunte

“…I’m sick of hearing everybody bitch about it.”

“I’m sick, and I’m bitching about everybody hearing about it.”

Fixed.

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uriel  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:09:48pm

re: #66 jaunte

Well, she’s also someone’s daughter, so there’s actually two things.

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:09:52pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Ummm…Meghan McCain says that impeachment helped Clinton get re-elected.

Clinton’s reelection: 1996
Clinton’s impeachment: 1998.]

Well, now we know where Slasher got his (dis)info earlier.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:10:29pm
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uriel  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:11:32pm

re: #71 makeitstop

Well, now we know where Slasher got his (dis)info earlier.

It kinda amuses me to think of slasher all alone in the TV room, watching the view for talking points.

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:12:05pm

I’m glad that a formal impeachment inquiry is happening. That is an important first step. But now the question is: will this be a wide ranging inquiry or is it going to be limited to the Ukrainian influence story?

I hope it is wide ranging. I hope they include, at the very least, abuse of power articles related to the use of emergency powers to bypass congressional will. But deep down, I want 20+ articles of impeachment against this bastard. Throw the entire fucking book at him.

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Skip Intro  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:12:20pm

re: #67 MsJ

I await hearing her say she can’t dislike Trump anymore because the Democrats took that away from her.

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Skip Intro  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:13:16pm

re: #67 MsJ

And her mom’s money, of course.

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:13:50pm

Time to hold the media’s feet to the fire—as Margaret Sullivan warns:
Trump’s Ukraine-scandal strategy — counterpunch, confuse and con — depends on the media

Trump is counting on the media — both right-wing and mainstream — to do much of the work for him as he tries to manage another crisis.

And many are falling right in line.

…This kind of story framing has been called “privileging the lie” — a longtime media cancer that has metastasized because Trump is such a relentless manipulator and master of reductionist politics: I’m not corrupt; he is.

Instead of snuffing out false and misleading claims, news stories give them oxygen. Then pundits come along to fan the flames — while simultaneously bemoaning what’s happened to our democratic norms.

That’s what Trump is counting on.

And why shouldn’t he? It’s worked for him every time.

washingtonpost.com

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:16:46pm

Here comes the shit-valanche…

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:17:32pm

re: #78 makeitstop

Hasn’t Rudy promised to release evidence in the past and then done nothing?

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:17:42pm

This is his latest tweet

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:18:39pm

Dunno the source for this, but…

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:19:42pm

re: #80 gocart mozart

This is his latest tweet

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See my #51 for a quick explanation.

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:19:59pm

re: #81 makeitstop

Sure, Don, send the complaint to Congress like you’re fucking supposed to.

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:23:21pm

Not that I expect them to vote to convict if this is the basis for an article of impeachment, but this is, um, interesting:

The Republican-controlled Senate on Tuesday unanimously passed a non-binding resolution calling on the Trump administration to release a complaint by a whistleblower from the intelligence community concerning President Donald Trump’s conduct with a foreign leader.

I won’t believe the dam has broken until I see the water, but hopefully this is at least a crack in the wall

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Skip Intro  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:24:14pm

re: #78 makeitstop

Does that mean the Ukraine transcript is now back in the vault again?

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:25:09pm

re: #84 KGxvi

Not that I expect them to vote to convict if this is the basis for an article of impeachment, but this is, um, interesting:

I won’t believe the dam has broken until I see the water, but hopefully this is at least a crack in the wall

I think Congressional Repubs have been taking their cues from Trump on impeachment. He laughed, they laughed.

Today, it got real. Feet will get cold, so to speak.

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Skip Intro  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:25:52pm

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:26:18pm

Ha!

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:28:41pm

re: #86 makeitstop

I think Congressional Repubs have been taking their cues from Trump on impeachment. He laughed, they laughed.

Today, it got real. Feet will get cold, so to speak.

That’s probably part of it… but I also think they didn’t think Pelosi would pull the trigger on impeachment. (Which, honestly, I didn’t think she would either, until this afternoon)

It’s easy to laugh off an empty threat. It’s harder to do when someone backs up a threat.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:30:24pm

re: #78 makeitstop

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2019 • 3:30:29pm

re: #81 makeitstop

Dunno the source for this, but…

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I thought it was about background checks?

yep. Horse! don’t fuck up!

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Egregious Philbin  Sep 24, 2019 • 4:04:03pm

re: #81 makeitstop

President Donald Trump sought to work something out with Speaker Nancy Pelosi during a Tuesday phone call, but she reportedly shot the offer down.

The phone call was reported by NBC News correspondent Heidi Przybyla on “The Beat” with Ari Melber.

“I got a readout on that. That the president actually said to Nancy Pelosi, ‘Hey, can we do something about this whistleblower complaint? Can we work something out?’ And she said, ‘Yes, you can tell your people to obey the law.’ So she quickly swatted that down and made it clear that it is full steam ahead,” Przybyla reported.

Link

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 24, 2019 • 4:29:55pm

re: #85 Skip Intro

Does that mean the Ukraine transcript is now back in the vault again?

Geraldo hid it in Al Capone’s vault!

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 24, 2019 • 5:22:02pm

re: #81 makeitstop

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 25, 2019 • 8:17:05am

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

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From what I remember seeing was that this was not just one call. It was several over a period of time. One call transcript doesn’t prove anything. So one call out of several has a pretty clean transcript, what about the others?


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